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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    um...no deal.
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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    If I'm trading Dunn I have to get back at least one cheap pitcher who's good.

    Garland is not cheap, and not particularly good. I like Crede, but Pod stinks.

    Encarnacion has a great stick for a thirdbaseman. It makes no sense to to move him to first, where he would simply block Votto.

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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    No deal.
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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

    Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.

    Scott Podsednick is a slightly worse version Ryan Freel. Garland would make a nice #3 starter, which is where the deal gains a little steam. I don't think it's a horrible trade offer in terms of fairness. In fact, I think most Sox fans would turn it down in heartbeat. However, Crede has reached his upside potential. Dunn just had a down year. Buying high and selling low is rarely a winning strategy.
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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

    Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.
    Good lord...I don't need convincing that Dunn is a great dude, but sometimes it's nice to have it verified. And I think Joe Crede is a great little deal as a third baseman...a great defensive asset, but offensively, he's not going to climb up from this year.
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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Joe Crede is also a year and a half older than Adam Dunn. Last year's OPS from Crede was more than 60 points over his career average. Last year's OPS from Dunn was 40 points lower than his career average.

    Furthermore, Crede's success was driven by a higher batting average and slugging, which are more variance prone than patience. I would love to have Crede on my squad. I wouldn't want him at the expense of Dunn.

    Scott Podsednick is a slightly worse version Ryan Freel. Garland would make a nice #3 starter, which is where the deal gains a little steam. I don't think it's a horrible trade offer in terms of fairness. In fact, I think most Sox fans would turn it down in heartbeat. However, Crede has reached his upside potential. Dunn just had a down year. Buying high and selling low is rarely a winning strategy.
    1) Disclaimer: I wouldn't make this trade in any way, shape or form.

    2) I seriously find it amazing how any discussion can get twisted into Adam Dunn's favor. A few points that I think are, at the very least, questionable:

    a) Crede's OPS is on the way up and Dunn's is on the way down. Therefore, this is in favor of Dunn?

    b) Success that is driven by a higher BA and SLG is bad? Come on...I know this board is OBP addicted, but putting someone down because their "success" in the league is based on getting hits and XBHs is a bit ridiculous. Someone should inform Vlad that he better stop getting hits and start walking more or else the HOF will shut him out. Obviously an exaggeration but still relevant.

    3) Crede will probably cost at least $8-9 million less than Dunn over the next 2 years. And 2009 is his first FA eligible year for him. If they wanted, the CWS could lock him up right now at much less of a price than Dunn is costing.


    So remember, I am not advocating this trade in a million years. I am only advocating fair and balanced discussions when it comes to Adam Dunn.

    Thanks for reading.

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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    not in a million years.
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    Re: Deal or no deal - Reds White Sox Style

    I don't even think the White Sox would make that deal.
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