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Thread: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    I am surprised by the results of this poll.
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    I am surprised by the results of this poll.
    Dave Parker was an impact player on the bases and on both sides of the ball for quite awhile, I'll always remember him more as a Pirate then a Red and his throw in the AS game.

    Rice played in a hitters league, on a hitters team in a hitters park, before the homogenized MLB blurred the lines between AL and NL that always plays into my memory, Rice was in that "other league"

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Dave Parker gets my vote.

    Maybe for the reason that he had slipped up in the early '80s and rebounded with zeal. I think Parker took for granted what he had and he made good at the end.
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Dave Parker was an impact player on the bases and on both sides of the ball for quite awhile, I'll always remember him more as a Pirate then a Red and his throw in the AS game.

    Rice played in a hitters league, on a hitters team in a hitters park, before the homogenized MLB blurred the lines between AL and NL that always plays into my memory, Rice was in that "other league"
    Rice career: .854 OPS vs .742 league average
    Parker career: .810 OPS vs. .727 league average
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Rice career: .854 OPS vs .742 league average
    Parker career: .810 OPS vs. .727 league average
    So we are talking about a .15 difference? Rice played in Fenway and wasn't near as good as Parker in the field and Parker has 3 rings.

    What's surprising here?
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    What's surprising here?
    I dunno... just... surprising.

    BTW, Parker only has 2 rings.
    When all is said and done more is said than done.

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    For a variety of reasons Rose's drive toward the hit record among them Parker's years with the Reds seem to largely have been forgotten. He had a couple of great seasons could easily have been MVP in '85 to go with a couple of decent ones, and played a key role in transforming the team from its horrific status in the early 1980s to perennial contenders from '85 through '88.

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Rice career: .854 OPS vs .742 league average
    Parker career: .810 OPS vs. .727 league average
    I like Parkers speed early on, here's the 77-79 for both
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    JIM RICE
    
    AGE BETWEEN 24 AND 26
    
    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1977 Red Sox      24  160   644  104  206  29  15  39   6.06  114   53  120    5   4  .320  .593  .376  .969 
    1978 Red Sox      25  163   677  121  213  25  15  46   6.79  139   58  126    7   5  .315  .600  .370  .970 
    1979 Red Sox      26  158   619  117  201  39   6  39   6.30  130   57   97    9   4  .325  .596  .381  .977 
         TOTALS           481  1940  342  620  93  36 124   6.39  383  168  343   21  13  .320  .596  .376  .972 
         LG AVERAGE            1775  233  471  79  13  44   2.47  218  169  243   34  21  .266  .399  .330  .729 
         POS AVERAGE           1805  254  500  89  14  58   3.23  255  177  248   37  22  .277  .439  .342  .782 
    
    YEAR TEAM          RC   RCAA  RCAP OWP   RC/G   TB   EBH  ISO   SEC  BPA  IBB HBP SAC  SF GIDP OUTS  PA   POS
    1977 Red Sox       135   41   27  .653   7.79  382   83  .273  .363  .596  10   8   0   5  21   468   710  DH
    1978 Red Sox       145   62   49  .729   7.99  406   86  .285  .381  .612   7   5   1   5  15   490   746  LF
    1979 Red Sox       137   54   41  .709   8.29  369   84  .271  .378  .609   4   4   0   8  16   446   688  LF
         TOTALS        417  157  117  .698   8.02 1157  253  .277  .374  .606  21  17   1  18  52  1404  2144 
         LG AVERAGE    235    0    0  .500   4.52  708  136  .134  .248  .436  12  10  22  17  41  1404  1993 
         POS AVERAGE   271   35    0  .556   5.21  793  161  .162  .281  .474  15  12  17  17  43  1404  2027 
    
    
    
    DAVE PARKER
    
    AGE BETWEEN 26 AND 28
    
    YEAR TEAM         AGE G    AB    R    H    2B  3B  HR   HR%   RBI  BB   SO   SB   CS  AVG   SLG  OBA   OPS
    1977 Pirates      26  159   637  107  215  44   8  21   3.30   88   58  107   17  19  .338  .531  .397  .927 
    1978 Pirates      27  148   581  102  194  32  12  30   5.16  117   57   92   20   7  .334  .585  .394  .979 
    1979 Pirates      28  158   622  109  193  45   7  25   4.02   94   67  101   20   4  .310  .526  .380  .906 
         TOTALS           465  1840  318  602 121  27  76   4.13  299  182  300   57  30  .327  .546  .390  .936 
         LG AVERAGE            1665  214  444  77  13  39   2.32  199  166  233   41  21  .267  .399  .334  .733 
         POS AVERAGE           1714  250  487  86  17  55   3.20  233  178  255   45  24  .284  .450  .351  .801 
    
    YEAR TEAM          RC   RCAA  RCAP OWP   RC/G   TB   EBH  ISO   SEC  BPA  IBB HBP SAC  SF GIDP OUTS  PA   POS
    1977 Pirates       129   47   29  .690   7.71  338   73  .193  .311  .558  13   7   0   4   7   452   706  RF
    1978 Pirates       133   63   46  .761   8.89  340   74  .251  .384  .629  23   2   0   2   8   404   642  RF
    1979 Pirates       130   49   34  .700   7.82  327   77  .215  .355  .583  14   9   0   9   7   449   707  RF
         TOTALS        392  159  109  .717   8.11 1005  224  .219  .349  .589  50  18   0  15  22  1305  2055 
         LG AVERAGE    225    0    0  .500   4.65  664  129  .132  .256  .444  22   9  13  14  36  1305  1867 
         POS AVERAGE   273   48    0  .582   5.66  771  158  .166  .295  .493  21   8   5  17  31  1305  1921

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    I dunno... just... surprising.

    BTW, Parker only has 2 rings.

    You're right. The mighty Larussa team only won it in 1989 and not 88 and 90 as one might think of a dynasty.

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenlord View Post
    ... also here he's the cooler person, but that could just be a bias.
    I don't know what you mean by cooler person (his drug use?), but Jim Ed Rice was one of the most respected players in baseball. Roger Clemens wore his number 14 during spring training games to honor him the year his playing days ended.
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    If I'm not mistaken, Rice was usually hostile to sports reporters, even though he played at a time when media scrutiny of athletes was definitely at a lower level than it is today.
    In a perfect world, that wouldn't be a factor when it comes to Hall of Fame selections, I guess, but when your statistics put you in the "maybe/probably deserving" category, past rudeness can come back to haunt you.

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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    I'll take Parker by slight edge. Their career rate stats are fairly even, and Rice may have an edge there. But career counting stats favor Parker, peak favors Parker, and Parker also has a very slight positional adjustment that could be tossed in ...
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              Parker   Rice
     Career    327     282
    
    Top  3     101      92
    Top  5     156     142
    Top  7     199     183
    Top 10     248     233
    Top 12     276     262
    
    Per 162  21.48   21.86
    
    
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              Parker   Rice
     Career    84.9    79.3
    
    Top 3      29.4    26.8
    Top 5      46.2    41.2
    Top 7      56.4    53.5
    Top 10     67.6    67.5             
    Top 12     73.1    75.5
                
    Per 162    5.58    6.15
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    Quote Originally Posted by Mainspark View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Rice was usually hostile to sports reporters, even though he played at a time when media scrutiny of athletes was definitely at a lower level than it is today.
    In a perfect world, that wouldn't be a factor when it comes to Hall of Fame selections, I guess, but when your statistics put you in the "maybe/probably deserving" category, past rudeness can come back to haunt you.
    Rice often refused to talk to the press, but not to the degree that we saw with the two leftfielders, Ted Williams and Carl Yastrzemski, who proceded him in Boston. The town has a history of being hard on its star sluggers when wins have been scarce.

    Plus, Boston sports writers have campaigned for his induction for the last several years, so I doubt his hostility hurt him in his hometown.
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    I chose Rice based only on my personal recollection (i.e. not true facts but at least a perception of them!). I was actually their stats were as close as they were, and I understand when ballpark/league adjusted htey are dang close. But since they are this close, I still have to side with the nostalgic side of me which remembers (in my little world) Jim Rice as absolutely at one time the most feared hitter in baseball. But I did like Parkway. In fact our dog is named Parker and he gets called Parkway all the time.
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    Re: Jim Rice Vs. Dave Parker

    This is a great thread. My perception was that Rice was the better player, but there's probably a better argument for Parker.

    For the record, Bill James ranked Dave Parker as the 14th best right fielder in history and Rice as the 27th best left fielder in history.

    If anyone knows anyone at the Sons of Sam Horn, I'd love for you to direct them to this thread and see what they think of it. I bet the poll would run the other way over there.
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