Braves Get:
Homer Bailey
Rheal Cormier
Todd Coffey
Reds Get:
Tim Hudson
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Adam LaRoche
Would you do it and do you think the Braves would?
Braves Get:
Homer Bailey
Rheal Cormier
Todd Coffey
Reds Get:
Tim Hudson
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Adam LaRoche
Would you do it and do you think the Braves would?
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
No, Hudson makes too much money.
School's out. What did you expect?
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
Hudson's projected numbers at GABP:
I'd rather have Milton.Code:Year Ag G W L WL% IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP ERA WHIP ActG +-------+----+---+---+-----+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+-----+------+----+ 1999 23 21 10 5 .667 136.3 121 52 49 8 62 132 4 3.23 1.342 21 2000 24 32 13 9 .591 203.7 170 100 94 24 82 170 7 4.15 1.237 32 2001 25 35 16 9 .640 231.0 225 101 95 21 74 177 6 3.70 1.294 35 2002 26 34 18 8 .692 237.3 239 86 81 19 63 151 8 3.07 1.272 34 2003 27 34 18 8 .692 235.0 208 85 80 16 64 158 11 3.06 1.157 34 2004 28 27 13 7 .650 188.7 194 79 74 8 44 103 12 3.53 1.261 27 2005 29 29 12 8 .600 187.7 204 88 83 21 68 112 9 3.98 1.449 29 2006 30 35 10 13 .435 213.3 246 137 129 26 83 137 9 5.44 1.542 35 +-------+----+---+---+-----+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+-----+------+----+ Totals 247 110 67 .621 1633.0 1607 728 685 143 540 1143 66 3.78 1.315 247
My dad got to enjoy 3 Reds World Championships by the time he was my age. So far, I've only gotten to enjoy one. Step it up Redlegs!
I know it was just a typo but actually Hudson is scheduled to make $19M over the next two years. Your point is still valid....the Reds would be on the hook for alot of money over his total contract:
Hudson:
07:$6M,
08:$13M,
09:$13M,
10:$12M mutual option
To me the issues with him are completely related to injury risk and payroll. If he's healthy and back to normal, he is projected by Pecota (they're pretty good with pitchers) to be a solid guy through his contract years. He's not the dominant guy of his early years in Oakland but he is still an extreme groundball pitcher with very solid stuff that should translate well in GABP IMHO.... Its all money and risk though...
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
Nooooooooooooooooo
No way....Hudson makes way too much money for the type of year he had last year. Salty is coming off a down year. LaRoche appears to be worth only a young back end of the bullpen arm on the market.
If Bailey is going to the braves then James, Salty, and one of those young SS they have in the system is a must. I want no part of Hudson's contract and im not high or LaRoche even if hes got his ADD under control.
Plus the Braves arent going to be asking the 2005 value of Hudson and Salty and not the 2006.
Votto > LaRoche and i dont believe in aquiring a player to turn him around to another team...
im for trying to find a deal for Sal
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
It's not really that important to prove anything above AA ball IMHO..... In some of his classic abstracts, Bill James has argued pretty forcefully that its not necesary to require players log extensive time at the AAA level. In fact he also argues as a basic truism, that the truly great players will reach the majors at a younger age than usual. James' opinions aside, its becoming more and more common for major league teams to promote their top prospects from AA to the big dance without any significant time logged AAA. Basically the AAA level is starting to resemble more of a holding tank for shuttling roster help (replacement level players and second tier prospects basically blocked at the major league level) than a true developmental step (at least for the true prospects)...
So here's why the proposed trade is a non-starter IMHO. It addresses two needs by trading/blocking in house solutions (Homer/Votto) that are cheaper with more upside than the two options that would come in return. Basically LaRoche projects as a league average first baseman (.282/.358/.483) who is valuable because he's cheap but who is going to get much more expensive during his approaching arb eligible years. Hudson is intriguing but very expensive as his contract is back loaded. He is going to get very expensive beyond next year-without a guarantee he will give you innings (he'll be 32 next season and his contract goes through what should be his decline years). Finally, first base is the easiest position on the field to solve via replacement level guys. Last year essentially supports this notion as the Reds got by pretty well from squeezing blood from the turnips at firstbase last season.... Signing C. Wilson does enough to address the Reds need at first for '07 to satisfy me and it doesn't require giving up anything potentially useful....
Now, all of that being said, the in-house solutions aren't going to be automatic ones for '07 so I understand the downside. Basically Votto has only become a bona fide prospect because he had a break out season (.319/.408/.547) last year in a traditionally pitcher dominant league. Basically he still has things to prove and probably is not ready to make the jump in '07. Krivsky's statements about Homer needing seasoning in AAA basically is lip service, I think, because there is a lack of consensus within the organisation regarding Homer's command. They are basically hedging their bets. He's probably going to be on the 25 man roster no later than August.
So IMHO, I'd frame this particular proposal as: "would you rather trade cheap/in-house but win tomorrow for expensive and try to win now?". I'd prefer the in-house for these two particular needs.
Anyway, thats the world according to me for what its worth....
Last edited by jojo; 12-17-2006 at 09:07 PM.
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