Well I can tell you, there is few people on this board that would find that group good 4-5 starters. Milton is proven garbage, Dumatriat can't get AAA hitters out, and Ramirez is a bit of a mystery. he pitched well for awhile, but then he got misused and injured. It's hard to know what you can expect out of EZ.
The difference is that Toronto, somehow, has the financial flexibility to make themselves beter immediately. Cincy, either through poor ownership or worse financial status, cannot. Therefore, I would rather deal Arroyo before he comes crashing down. True he is the 2nd best pitcher on the team. But when your #3 is Milton, then you could have Johan as your #2 and it wouldn't matter in the slightest.
If Arroyo gives us an extremely cheap 2007-2008 of 35 wins and a 3.00 era, will it really matter? Will this team really be in the race, if the 2007 offseason is filled with more over the hill garbage?
I have no problem sending Arroyo out right now, but it better be for a huge return. He is one of the few guys on the Reds with loads of value. On the open market he owuld be getting 15M+. He has incredible value, so if he is dealt, it better be in a franchise altering move, not in a move to simply wave the white flag.
And milton is hardly the number 3. Lohse is a better pitcher, and I bet a guy like Belisle could post better numbers than him.
I was just responding to your mentioning of Dunn's 4 SB lead over Rios. No mention of OPS.
But I brought this up in another thread...I love the spinning of any posting related to Adam Dunn and, to some extent, Arroyo as well.
Does no one care that Dunn's numbers are sliding? Does no one care that "regression to the mean", one of everyone's favorite sayings on this board, is a great was to describe Arroyo?
Dunn costs MILLIONS more than Rios. I guess that doesn't matter.
Dunn is a sloth in the OF while Rios is a pretty good fielder, at the very least.
Dunn had 40 HRs last year and a SLG of .490. Rios had 17 HRs and a SLG of .516. I guess Rios doesn't need to hit even 20 HRs to match the likes of 40 HR per year hitters.
Let's just try and look at things in a balanced way. My first thought was that Arroyo would be a good match. I didn't bring this into the Dunn realm, but since it happened anyway, I felt that it was my duty to respond.
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