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Thread: Merged: Really Disappointed / Krivsky, Ownership not as-advertised?

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    Merged: Really Disappointed / Krivsky, Ownership not as-advertised?

    It is a major disappointment that the Reds are real close to being a contender and yet they are doing absolutely nothing but sitting on their hands. I know that some of you are thrilled about their inactivity...but I don't know how. I kind of liked the Gonzalez signing, and was pretty blah about the Stanton signing. But that was no time to quit! Several helpful players have slipped away without the reds seeming to have made much effort. I would still like to see them sign Craig Wilson and go after a decent #3 pitcher...like Jake Westbrook. (Even a Tony Armas would be better tan nothing. It would at least indicate some effort). I would also love to see the Reds at least explore the possibility of trading for Rios. (But not at the expense of Homer Bailey! Any other package of pitching prospects would be fine). What did Krivsky mean when he said, "Stay tuned?" was he just trying to torment us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roby View Post
    It is a major disappointment that the Reds are real close to being a contender and yet they are doing absolutely nothing but sitting on their hands. I know that some of you are thrilled about their inactivity...but I don't know how. I kind of liked the Gonzalez signing, and was pretty blah about the Stanton signing. But that was no time to quit! Several helpful players have slipped away without the reds seeming to have made much effort. I would still like to see them sign Craig Wilson and go after a decent #3 pitcher...like Jake Westbrook. (Even a Tony Armas would be better tan nothing. It would at least indicate some effort). I would also love to see the Reds at least explore the possibility of trading for Rios. (But not at the expense of Homer Bailey! Any other package of pitching prospects would be fine). What did Krivsky mean when he said, "Stay tuned?" was he just trying to torment us?

    Its only December. Judging on Krivskys past albeit a short one, I seriously doubt that this is the final product that we will see on opening day.
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    Given what players are getting on the market, I think Wayne has shifted his attention to making a trade to help the team. Probably a pretty wise move if that is his thinking. We'll see where Zito ends up, but there just hasn't been anybody that I think is worth the money they've been given.

    Hopefully, Wayne makes a trade that will help the team, instead of just making one for the sake of making one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowstorm View Post
    Given what players are getting on the market, I think Wayne has shifted his attention to making a trade to help the team. Probably a pretty wise move if that is his thinking. We'll see where Zito ends up, but there just hasn't been anybody that I think is worth the money they've been given.

    Hopefully, Wayne makes a trade that will help the team, instead of just making one for the sake of making one.
    Do you really have any hope that the Reds are players for Zito?

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    what is all this man love for tony armas, i just don't get it. he is not a good pitcher anymore so let's move on to someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roby View Post
    It is a major disappointment that the Reds are real close to being a contender and yet they are doing absolutely nothing but sitting on their hands. I know that some of you are thrilled about their inactivity...but I don't know how. I kind of liked the Gonzalez signing, and was pretty blah about the Stanton signing. But that was no time to quit! Several helpful players have slipped away without the reds seeming to have made much effort. I would still like to see them sign Craig Wilson and go after a decent #3 pitcher...like Jake Westbrook. (Even a Tony Armas would be better tan nothing. It would at least indicate some effort). I would also love to see the Reds at least explore the possibility of trading for Rios. (But not at the expense of Homer Bailey! Any other package of pitching prospects would be fine). What did Krivsky mean when he said, "Stay tuned?" was he just trying to torment us?
    The Reds aren't close to contending and giving out bad contracts to mediocre players only harms the longterm future of the club.

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    Re: Really Disappointed

    Quote Originally Posted by roby View Post
    It is a major disappointment that the Reds are real close to being a contender...
    I've got to disagree that the Reds are close to being a contender. It has been pointed out here many times since the season ended, but they were very fortunate to have the record they did. They were much closer to a 74-88 team than they were to a 88-74 team. I think they'll put a worse team on the field for Opening Day 2007 than they did last year, so 70-72 wins is not out of the question. That will put them 20+ games out of first. I really don't think WK can make enough moves to make up that deficit.

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    Re: Really Disappointed

    I'm glad Special K and Mr. C have "done nothing" this off season...have yo useen some of the stupid contracts going round? sure we have spent some money on older pitchers which I am not really against but some on the board are...all in all, I think Special K will wait till Spring or close to it to make any deals...he wants all the leverage of any deal to be in his.

    Or at least I hope he does.
    "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    I'm glad Special K and Mr. C have "done nothing" this off season...have yo useen some of the stupid contracts going round? sure we have spent some money on older pitchers which I am not really against but some on the board are...all in all, I think Special K will wait till Spring or close to it to make any deals...he wants all the leverage of any deal to be in his.

    Or at least I hope he does.
    I'm as glad as anyone that Krivsky has laid off the players that have already signed overpriced deals, but the fact remains that the team is staring down the barrell of a bad negative run-differential this upcoming season.

    Productivity has to come from somewhere -- a byproduct of losing so much offense in the Kearns/Lopez trade. Eventually, Krivsky is going to have to go make a move for another bat or two.
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    Re: Really Disappointed

    The needs on offense are well documented, but I'm curious as to what player from an opposing team would really make a big impact. He would have to be someone who could be added at a reasonable cost. So who do you think Redszoners?

    I think will be fine as far as being competive. The 70 to 72 wins seems to be a very reasonable prediction if not in the 78 to 80 range depending on a monster Dunn year.

    However, I shudder to think what happens if Harang or Arroyo go down with injuries. The horror! The horror!

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    Re: Really Disappointed

    double post sorry
    Last edited by forfreelin04; 12-19-2006 at 04:22 AM. Reason: double post

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    Re: Really Disappointed

    Quote Originally Posted by roby View Post
    Do you really have any hope that the Reds are players for Zito?
    Not really, but you never know. That would be a nice Christmas gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forfreelin04 View Post
    The needs on offense are well documented, but
    However, I shudder to think what happens if Harang or Arroyo go down with injuries. The horror! The horror!
    Or if Bronson turns back into a pumpkin at midnight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    I'm glad Special K and Mr. C have "done nothing" this off season...have yo useen some of the stupid contracts going round? sure we have spent some money on older pitchers which I am not really against but some on the board are...all in all, I think Special K will wait till Spring or close to it to make any deals...he wants all the leverage of any deal to be in his.

    Or at least I hope he does.
    Some of the best deals are the ones that aren't made...



    I'd much rather have money burning in the pocket than give out a rediculous contract to eric milton... oh wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_jbh View Post
    I'd much rather have money burning in the pocket than give out a rediculous contract to eric milton... oh wait...
    The Reds would never be that stupid...


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