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    Pete's Take on the Reds.

    This should raise some eyebrows, it did mine. And no one can accuse Pete of all people of not knowing Baseball!

    Thoughts on the current Reds?


    "My advice to the general manager is, if you think youíve got good pitching, get more, because youíve got the offense and youíve got a pretty solid defense. Now youíve just got to get pitchers that can go out there and keep the ball in the ballpark. Itís a rough place to pitch in, no question about it Ė just like Philly.

    "I know the Reds didnít hit in the clutch down the stretch. That happens. But when youíre not hitting in the clutch down the stretch, thatís when you need some 2-1 games and some 1-0 games and 3-2 games. The Big Red Machine couldnít win every night, 10-8. Youíve got to have some of those close games. You had a couple pitchers have good years and itís just going to be interesting to see if they sign any free-agent pitchers. I have a tendency to think they will. Itís just whoís out there and whoís available and who would like to pitch for the Reds? I would, if I was a pitcher. When youíve got some guys that can knock in some runs, it makes your job a little easier."
    Hmmm, interesting synopsis! If you wanna read the rest of Pete's interview here is the link to Marc Lancasters Blog.

    http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/
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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    Thanks for the heads up.

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    its nice to see pete in the media without anybody bashing him..he makes a great point..however we keep getting mediocre pitching..so all the additions havent helped one bit..

    also im sure he's referring to starting rotation pitching..it doesnt matter how good or deep your bullpen is if your SP has already given up 5-6 runs

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    and you’ve got a pretty solid defense
    Lost credibility there. Just because we added a good shortstop doesn't mean we now have a pretty solid defense. We were crappy last year, now we are just above crappy.

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    pete wants to warm up Rob Murphy and Frank Williams in the pen

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    In an interview with reporters later in the day he also said....
    "I'm a baseball person. I haven't bet on baseball since 1987. When writers talk about that, [they say] let me back in, but don't let me on the field. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that would be in the hands of one of 30 people. And the 30 people are guys that own baseball teams. If you want me to run your show, one thing I'll do is change the attitude around [the team], just like Jimmy Leyland [in Detroit] and just like Lou Piniella will do in Chicago. I'll change the attitude around for a team. I'll put more people in the seats, and you'll go up in the standings."
    I feel bad for him in one respect...that he gave up the only thing he has ever really loved because he did something he really enjoyed...but then he tried to protect himself with a lie...still paying the price for bad choices.
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    everyone should be given a second chance.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    everyone should be given a second chance.
    Even after he lied for 15+ years and was so arrogant about everything he did? Pete should just go away. Great player, Bad guy.
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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfanmia View Post
    Even after he lied for 15+ years and was so arrogant about everything he did? Pete should just go away. Great player, Bad guy.
    So arrogance and lieing (and before you say it, Gambling on the game) are unforgiveable sins? But drug (and steroid) abuse, assault, wife beating, DUI, etc. all merit second (and sometimes third, fourth, etc.) chances?

    My Bible teaches that sin is sin and that every sin breaks the heart of God just the same. My God is a god of forgiveness and second chances and would never say that what Pete Rose did or didn't do was unpardonable.

    My beliefs teach us to model ourselves after a loving and forgiving God and Christ.

    They also teach that if we are going to "stone" someone for their sins, then he who is without sin should cast the first one.

    So Pete Rose bet on baseball and baseball and its Hall of Fame is so holy and exclusionary that God's teachings shouldn't enter in?

    You're certainly just as entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine. But before saying someone is a "bad guy," we should certainly look first at the man in the mirror. We're all "bad" guys, having inherited sin natures at our birth.
    Doesn't mean however, that we shouldn't all be forgiven and given second chances. It would be an awful, terrible, world---somewhat similar I imagine to what Hell is like---if we weren't given second chances by a loving and
    forgiving God of mercy and grace.

    Pete certainly made some mistakes, but he was a great ballplayer and I owe my love for baseball to him and my father. I look forward to seeing them both in heaven one day. It's going to be a shame, however, if I don't first get to see Pete Rose back in the game of baseball AND enshrined into the Hall of Fame.

    Just my opinion. . .

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    Last edited by RedRoser; 12-20-2006 at 11:02 AM.

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    http://redsox.bostonherald.com/other...ticleid=173037

    By Associated Press
    Wednesday, December 20, 2006 - Updated: 07:15 AM EST

    CINCINNATI - Pete Rose thinks Mark McGwire should be baseballís Hall of Fame, and hasnít given up hope that heíll get there someday, too.

    Baseballís banished hits king said Tuesday that McGwire, who is on the ballot for the first time, ought to be voted in despite his refusal to discuss steroids. Rose isnít eligible for the ballot because of his lifetime ban for gambling.

    Rose made the case for McGwire by noting that baseball didnít crack down on steroids until after the 2002 season, by which time McGwire had retired.

    McGwire hit a then-record 70 homers in 1998, when his race with Sammy Sosa to top Roger Marisí record drew huge crowds and helped the game reshape its image after labor strife.

    "Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, I think they kind of saved the game in (1998) with the home run contest," Rose said. "That home run derby kind of brought baseball back."

    Rose himself isnít having much luck with Halls of Fame.

    Flu prevented him from flying from the West Coast for a news conference at the Cincinnati Redsí Hall of Fame on Tuesday. The hall is putting together a special exhibit honoring Roseís career.

    The Cincinnati native helped the Reds win back-to-back World Series in 1975-76 and broke Ty Cobbís career hit record, finishing with 4,256. He was banned in 1989 for betting on baseball, something he denied for the next 13 years.

    He acknowledged betting on baseball in 2002 during a meeting with commissioner Bud Selig. His second autobiography in 2004 made the admission public, but turned off many fans and, evidently, baseballís top executives. The book contained little remorse and was released just before Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley were elected to the Hall of Fame.

    "When the book came out, everything kind of went haywire," Rose said Tuesday during a conference call set up because he couldnít travel to Cincinnati.

    Roseís eligibility for the ballot ended last year. Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt, a close friend, wrote in a book earlier this year that Rose understands he probably never will be inducted and that heíll almost certainly never be allowed back in the game in any capacity.

    "There has been no change in the status of Pete Roseís reinstatement petition," Bob DuPuy, baseballís chief operating officer, said Tuesday in an e-mail.

    Rose said he hasnít lost hope.

    "Sure Iíd like to go into the Hall of Fame," he said. "More important to me, Iíd like to be back in the game. Iím a teacher of the game."

    Rose thinks that if baseball ever reinstated him, some owner would hire him as manager.

    "Iím sure there are always going to be things about what I did in the past, but Iím not concerned about that," Rose said.

    He was the Redsí player-manager from 1984-86, allowing him to catch and pass Cobbís record. He then limited himself to managing until his banishment in 1989.

    The Reds finished second each season from 1985-88, then fell to fifth in his final season. They won the World Series by sweeping McGwireís Oakland team in 1990 under Lou Piniella.

    Roseís career is honored as part of the teamís history in various places at Great American Ball Park, which opened in 2003. Thereís a rose garden at the spot where record-breaking hit No. 4,192 landed at old Riverfront Stadium, which was alongside the new ballpark.

    Rose hasnít been inducted into the Redsí Hall of Fame, but several of his jerseys are on display. Also, there is a three-story display of 4,256 baseballs, honoring his most famous feat.

    A special exhibit opening next March will include the bat and ball from his record-setting hit, other memorabilia and a television documentary. Baseball officials said the exhibit conforms to the terms of Roseís lifetime ban.

    "We see this exhibit as very much a celebration of Pete and his career, a way for us to acknowledge the special characteristics he brought to the playing field and made him so beloved in Cincinnati," said Greg Rhodes, executive director of the Redsí Hall of Fame.

    Rose hopes that the exhibit is popular and that baseball takes notice.

    "That probably would give baseball another reason to consider reinstating me," Rose said. "I know Iíve made mistakes, but a lot of people feel Iíve paid for those mistakes. Itís been 17 years already."
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    If Pete wants back in the game he has to make MLB put him back into the game. In every interview he says how much he loves baseball and how much he misses it but I never see him out their teaching it to the younger kids. If I was Pete, I would go to the High Schools, the inner city, and teach the game, talk to the kids about what to stay away from. In essence earn some credibility and respect, make people notice you for the good you have done in being a baseball ambassador not just a guy looking to make some money.

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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    If Pete wants back in the game he has to make MLB put him back into the game. In every interview he says how much he loves baseball and how much he misses it but I never see him out their teaching it to the younger kids. If I was Pete, I would go to the High Schools, the inner city, and teach the game, talk to the kids about what to stay away from. In essence earn some credibility and respect, make people notice you for the good you have done in being a baseball ambassador not just a guy looking to make some money.

    That makes entirely too much sense for Pete to consider it.
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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    If Pete wants back in the game he has to make MLB put him back into the game. In every interview he says how much he loves baseball and how much he misses it but I never see him out their teaching it to the younger kids. If I was Pete, I would go to the High Schools, the inner city, and teach the game, talk to the kids about what to stay away from. In essence earn some credibility and respect, make people notice you for the good you have done in being a baseball ambassador not just a guy looking to make some money.
    That would cut into his time spent at the track and the casinos.
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    Re: Pete's Take on the Reds.

    Kory,

    Pete has said that he does a lot of that type of thing but doesn't do it for the cameras. He says it wouldn't be sincere then and he's not that kind of person. When I listen to him he strikes me as sincere about that. I can appreciate that as I think it is unbecoming to preen for the camera while doing "charitable" work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRoser View Post
    So arrogance and lieing (and before you say it, Gambling on the game) are unforgiveable sins? But drug (and steroid) abuse, assault, wife beating, DUI, etc. all merit second (and sometimes third, fourth, etc.) chances?

    My Bible teaches that sin is sin and that every sin breaks the heart of God just the same. My God is a god of forgiveness and second chances and would never say that what Pete Rose did or didn't do was unpardonable.

    My beliefs teach us to model ourselves after a loving and forgiving God and Christ.

    They also teach that if we are going to "stone" someone for their sins, then he who is without sin should cast the first one.

    So Pete Rose bet on baseball and baseball and its Hall of Fame is so holy and exclusionary that God's teachings shouldn't enter in?

    You're certainly just as entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine. But before saying someone is a "bad guy," we should certainly look first at the man in the mirror. We're all "bad" guys, having inherited sin natures at our birth.
    Doesn't mean however, that we shouldn't all be forgiven and given second chances. It would be an awful, terrible, world---somewhat similar I imagine to what Hell is like---if we weren't given second chances by a loving and
    forgiving God of mercy and grace.

    Pete certainly made some mistakes, but he was a great ballplayer and I owe my love for baseball to him and my father. I look forward to seeing them both in heaven one day. It's going to be a shame, however, if I don't first get to see Pete Rose back in the game of baseball AND enshrined into the Hall of Fame.

    Just my opinion. . .

    ---RedRoser
    Pete also was involved in some drug dealing's if you believe whats been written. I think Pete should be in the Hall but honestly its not going to happen anytime soon, maybe after he is gone but not now.
    I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.


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