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    Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    I was just giving this some thought and I figured I'd toss it out there for general public consumption.

    For instance, Led Zeppelin pretty much birthed arena rock. Is it their fault that within a decade corporate rock (with poster children like Styx) had arisen?

    I go back and forth on it. I'd generally say no except Zep made and released "Song Remains the Same," which pretty much canonized crappy arena rock excess.

    Other difficult musical parent/child relationships that spring to mind include:

    In the late 1970s, Judas Priest decided to clad themselves in leather (because Rob Halford was into the gay biker look) and unleashed guitar-driven, up tempo heavy metal. Are they responsible for the hair metal that followed, most disagreeably in the form of Kip Winger?

    How responsible is Husker Du for emo and the many sins created in that name? Do later purveyors like Superchunk on "Here's Where the Strings Come In" (I will be the steward of your southern lands, if you'd only take my, take my shaking hands) bear more responsibility? But even then could they have known how that would enable whiny teenagers?

    Can we lump snot punk bands like Good Charlotte and Simple Plan onto the shoulders of the Circle Jerks?

    Is Garth Brooks ultimately responsible for the horrors of modern country pop?

    I don't pretend to have the answers to these questions. I'm curious to hear what others think and what other originals have spawned dastardly children.
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Don't forget all teh crap that can be lain at the feet of the Grateful Dead.

    Other than that I generally blame Led Zeppelin for everything
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Don't forget all teh crap that can be lain at the feet of the Grateful Dead.
    I tend to view the Grateful Dead as an original sin. If my children ever want to torment me all they need to do is become jam band or country music fans.
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I tend to view the Grateful Dead as an original sin. If my children ever want to torment me all they need to do is become jam band or country music fans.
    Plus, the Grateful Dead spawned Phish.

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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

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    Plus, the Grateful Dead spawned Phish.

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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by registerthis View Post
    Plus, the Grateful Dead spawned Phish.

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    To actually answer the question that M2 brought up, I think this ends the conversation. I think this alone is proof that you can't blame the original band for what follows, or "inspires" future bands.
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    To actually answer the question that M2 brought up, I think this ends the conversation. I think this alone is proof that you can't blame the original band for what follows, or "inspires" future bands.
    All I know is I'm blaming someone for The String Cheese Incident. Those idiots aren't original enough to cause as much pain to my ears as they have.
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    To actually answer the question that M2 brought up, I think this ends the conversation. I think this alone is proof that you can't blame the original band for what follows, or "inspires" future bands.
    It seems to me the original always plants seeds for future suckitude. Mind you, aimless noodling is more than a seed, it's a full-blown forest of suckitude.

    Anyway, the originals almost always turn into their own tribute bands at some point and provide an excellent blueprint on how undermine the foundation of what they've built.
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I tend to view the Grateful Dead as an original sin. If my children ever want to torment me all they need to do is become jam band or country music fans.
    I'd rather a donkey violate my ear than the Grateful Dead.

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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    I'd chalk up the whiny teenager sound to a massive swath of music: folk, punk, the Cure, Bauhaus, Ride, MBV, J & M Chain (by extension all the shoegazing goofs), Joy Division.

    Only arena rock and music written by black artists can be exempted from that scourge.

    Though I have to say, many of the emo predecessors and their spawn I like quite a bit--unabashedly. Others I detest. It's just hard to say.

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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I'd rather a donkey violate my ear than the Grateful Dead.
    You know, I used to feel this way, but then a donkey...

    No, really, I used to feel that way, but I've been using Pandora lately and they've thrown a couple of Dead songs at me that I've found palatable. anything that runs over three minutes gets canned, though.

    And I like the shoegazers. heck, I like a lot of derivative stuff. I worship the Strokes, because what they do what they do so well (and what they do, to me, has always been perfect pop, pure and simple). If it's good, it's good, and a lot of that to me comes just from the quality of songwriting even if it's inspired by others. Some original stuff is awful. Case in point: the Fiery Furnaces. Burns my ears. But a lot of bands you mention -- String Cheese Incident, Simple Plan, Styx -- they're not bad because they're based on another. They're bad because they're just not very good. Their songs blow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    You know, I used to feel this way, but then a donkey...

    No, really, I used to feel that way, but I've been using Pandora lately and they've thrown a couple of Dead songs at me that I've found palatable. anything that runs over three minutes gets canned, though.

    And I like the shoegazers. heck, I like a lot of derivative stuff. I worship the Strokes, because what they do what they do so well (and what they do, to me, has always been perfect pop, pure and simple). If it's good, it's good, and a lot of that to me comes just from the quality of songwriting even if it's inspired by others. Some original stuff is awful. Case in point: the Fiery Furnaces. Burns my ears. But a lot of bands you mention -- String Cheese Incident, Simple Plan, Styx -- they're not bad because they're based on another. They're bad because they're just not very good. Their songs blow.
    Oh I like many of the shoegazers, too. My point wasn't to slam them outright, but rather to say they're complicit in influencing contemporary acts of teen angst.

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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    They're bad because they're just not very good. Their songs blow.

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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    No, really, I used to feel that way, but I've been using Pandora lately and they've thrown a couple of Dead songs at me that I've found palatable. anything that runs over three minutes gets canned, though.
    Pandora is interesting. I'll put in a band I like to see what it spits back at me, and typically I'll like the first couple of songs. And then it gets all weird.

    I put in a Catherine Wheel song once and I got some folksy/bluesy number. I really have no idea where things like that come from.
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    Re: Music question: Should the sins of the children be visited upon the parents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I'd rather a donkey violate my ear than the Grateful Dead.
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