Gruler has had multiple throwing arm surgeries. He left the GCL Reds in mid-August and is not expected back.
Gruler has had multiple throwing arm surgeries. He left the GCL Reds in mid-August and is not expected back.
Last edited by fargo55; 01-14-2007 at 11:34 PM. Reason: spelling
I will try and find out the answers to those questions. Rick has never been the type of person to talk about things if they were going well. I know that they wanted him to try and see how hard he could throw which was 98, even then he said he thought he might be holding back. Rick had shoulder surgery a few years ago i dont think it was anything to bad, but shoulder surgery is never a good thing now that he has moved to pitching. He did say that it still moved alittle at 98 but moved more between 93-95. Again how much i will have to find out. I can only imagine he will improve because his mechanics havent been touched since his senior year. Even then they just told him to throw as hard as he could, which he did and most kids couldnt touch it. Also i think his splitter is actually his second pitch. The reds pitching coaches will need to work with him on the change. I dont know though, for all i know is he has a good change as well.Great info there, thanks for posting it. First off, which seamer is he throwing 98? True, 98 is a nice fastball, the questions are the control and movement. Have you seen it personally? It has been said that when throwers add mph, the ball tends to flatten out, and taking some off actually increases control and spin.
Truth is, I wouldn't mind it if he fell back down to 93-94 if it meant nasty movement and more control. Give him a change up to compliment it, and he has all he needs. The splitter and slider are just a bonus.
Added Wilson, Removed George:
Code:Spot # Majors AAA AA A+ A- 1 Aaron Harang Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Travis Wood Josh Ravin 2 Bronson Arroyo Tom Shearn Sam Lecure Carlos Fisher Jordan Smith/Winfrin Obispo 3 Kyle Lohse Phil Dumatrait Camilo Vazquez Phil Valiquette Jamie Arneson 4 Eric Milton Victor Santos James Avery Daryl Thompson Anthony Gressick/Misael Dejesus 5 Eliz. Ramirez Tyler Pelland Eric Junge Francisco Mateo Brandon Rice/Nick Wandless 6 Matt Belisle Steve Kelly Bob Livingston D. Guerrero Rafael Gonzalez/Adam Pointer Pen Spot 1 Mike Stanton David Shafer Calvin Medlock Sean Watson Derrik Lutz 2 David Weathers Jon Coutlangus C. Bohorquez Robert Manuel Brandon Camardese 3 Todd Coffey Brad Salmon Nick Moran Damian Ursin Lee Tabor 4 Bill Bray Carlos Guevara James Paduch Jose Rojas Terrell Young 5 Rheal Cormier Wes Wilkerson Brock Till Logan Ondrusek Josh Roenicke 6 Gary Majewski Jason Kershner R. Asadoorian Richie Gardner 7 B. Shackelford Paul Wilson Chris Gruler 8 Jared Burton
I updated this a bit and added some omissions. Michael Gosling is back I believe and I stuck him at AAA. I also added a couple columns for guys on Rehab and others from the 2006 draft who had no spot. Two guys who are interesting are Travis Webb and Jeremy Burchett who both were among the reds top 10 picks.
Code:Spot # Majors AAA AA A+ A- Rehab/Others Rehab/Others 1 Aaron Harang Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Travis Wood Josh Ravin Paul Wilson Daniel Donaldson 2 Bronson Arroyo Tom Shearn Sam Lecure Carlos Fisher Jordan Smith Richie Gardner Dane Mason 3 Kyle Lohse Phil Dumatrait Camilo Vazquez Rafael Gonzalez Jamie Arneson Chris Gruler Christopher White 4 Eric Milton Victor Santos James Avery Daryl Thompson Brandon Rice T. Pauly 5 Eliz. Ramirez Tyler Pelland Eric Junge Winfrin Obispo Travis Webb R. Asadoorian 6 Matt Belisle Steve Kelly D. Guerrero A. Gressick Brandon Alford Pen Spot 1 Mike Stanton David Shafer Calvin Medlock Sean Watson Derrik Lutz E. Guardado Eric Schaler 2 David Weathers Jon Coutlangus C. Bohorquez Robert Manuel Terrell Young David Wilson Matt Clark 3 Todd Coffey Brad Salmon Nick Moran Damian Ursin Lee Tabor Daniel Rincon Ryan Williams 4 Bill Bray Carlos Guevara James Paduch Jose Rojas Josh Roenicke Kevin Gunter Greg Dicso 5 Rheal Cormier Wes Wilkerson Brock Till Logan Ondrusek Misael Dejesus Jarred Leach R. Medina 6 Gary Majewski Jason Kershner Fr. Mateo B. Camardese Jeremy Burchett Robert Nickols 7 B. Shackelford Mike Gosling Phil Valiquette Adam Pointer Justin Newman 8 Jared Burton Bob Livingston Nick Wandless Andrew Yount
It's not out of the realm of possibility that we flip him to someone with roster room to keep in in the Majors all year. I think that's a long shot, but still a possibility. But you're right, we could try to work a trade with Oakland too.Originally Posted by Kc61
Updated with recent signings and trades. For a guy who wants prospects in AAA, Krivsky seems to have more Journeyman vets than AAA can hold and I wonder if Bailey won't start at AA now.
Code:Spot # Majors AAA AA A+ A- Rehab/Others Rehab/Others 1 Aaron Harang Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Travis Wood Josh Ravin Paul Wilson Daniel Donaldson 2 Bronson Arroyo Tom Shearn Sam Lecure Carlos Fisher Jordan Smith Richie Gardner Dane Mason 3 Kyle Lohse Phil Dumatrait Camilo Vazquez Rafael Gonzalez Jamie Arneson Eliz. Ramirez Christopher White 4 Eric Milton Victor Santos James Avery Daryl Thompson Brandon Rice T. Pauly 5 Kirk Saarloos Tyler Pelland Eric Junge Winfrin Obispo Travis Webb R. Asadoorian 6 Matt Belisle Steve Kelly Luke Lockwood D. Guerrero A. Gressick Brandon Alford Pen Spot 1 Mike Stanton Brad Salmon Calvin Medlock Sean Watson Derrik Lutz E. Guardado Eric Schaler 2 David Weathers Jon Coutlangus C. Bohorquez Robert Manuel Terrell Young David Wilson Matt Clark 3 Todd Coffey Mike Bumatay Nick Moran Damian Ursin Lee Tabor Daniel Rincon Ryan Williams 4 Bill Bray Carlos Guevara James Paduch Jose Rojas Josh Roenicke Kevin Gunter Greg Dicso 5 Rheal Cormier Wes Wilkerson Brock Till Logan Ondrusek Misael Dejesus Jarred Leach R. Medina 6 Gary Majewski Brian Meadows Fr. Mateo B. Camardese Jeremy Burchett Robert Nickols 7 B. Shackelford Michael Gosling Mike Flannery Phil Valiquette Adam Pointer Justin Newman 8 Jared Burton Bob Livingston Jason Kershner Nick Wandless Andrew Yount
Last edited by mth123; 02-01-2007 at 08:48 PM.
MTH, honestly I would take Obispo off the list until he gets here....becuase from the sounds of it, he probably wont ever get here.
Since the Saarloos trade included a PTBNL for each team, Burton could well be the PTBNL coming to the Reds from the A's if he pitches well in Spring Training. This would allow him to be kept at AAA.
I've added Ligtenberg and thought I would bump this up as pitchers report for spring training. I'm guessing: 1.) Saarloos wins the 5th starter spot, 2.) Burton becomes the PTBNL in the Saarloos deal and goes to AAA, 3.) Ramirez starts on the DL as he comes back from off-season surgery 4.) Belisle is the long reliever, 5.) Shackelford and Dumatrait are exposed to waivers and 6.) a glut of veteran Non-Roster guys will be thinned as some choose free agency over AAA. Given the numbers in camp with the Reds, I have to wonder if Bailey won't start out in AA with Santos, Livingston, Dumatrait, Shearn, Kelly, Gosling, Meadows, etc eating up the spots at AAA. It will be interesting to see where the minor leaguers end-up, who washes out and if anyone emerges as some one to watch. I imagine a lot of the younger guys start in extended spring training and go to short season leagues later on with some being cut as this year's draft choices start to sign and take their spots.
Code:Spot # Majors AAA AA A+ A- Rehab/Others Rehab/Others 1 Aaron Harang Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Travis Wood Josh Ravin Paul Wilson Daniel Donaldson 2 Bronson Arroyo Tom Shearn Sam Lecure Carlos Fisher Jordan Smith Richie Gardner Dane Mason 3 Kyle Lohse Phil Dumatrait Camilo Vazquez Rafael Gonzalez Jamie Arneson Eliz. Ramirez Christopher White 4 Eric Milton Victor Santos James Avery Daryl Thompson Brandon Rice T. Pauly Winfrin Obispo 5 Kirk Saarloos Tyler Pelland Eric Junge D. Guerrero Travis Webb R. Asadoorian Phil Valiquette 6 Matt Belisle Steve Kelly Mike Bumatay Luke Lockwood A. Gressick Brandon Alford Pen Spot 1 Mike Stanton Brad Salmon Calvin Medlock Sean Watson Derrik Lutz E. Guardado Eric Schaler 2 David Weathers Jon Coutlangus C. Bohorquez Robert Manuel Terrell Young David Wilson Matt Clark 3 Todd Coffey K. Ligtenberg Nick Moran Damian Ursin Lee Tabor Daniel Rincon Ryan Williams 4 Bill Bray Carlos Guevara James Paduch Jose Rojas Josh Roenicke Kevin Gunter Greg Dicso 5 Rheal Cormier Wes Wilkerson Brock Till Logan Ondrusek Misael Dejesus Jarred Leach 6 Gary Majewski Brian Meadows Fr. Mateo B. Camardese Jeremy Burchett Robert Nickols 7 B. Shackelford Michael Gosling B. O'Connor R. Medina Adam Pointer Justin Newman 8 Jared Burton Bob Livingston Jason Kershner Mike Flannery Nick Wandless Andrew Yount
Last edited by mth123; 02-17-2007 at 05:53 AM.
Hey Cummins, Been a long time bud. its Ed hashey back from the old days hope all is well and say hello to Rick for me and wish him well this year.
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