What about the Rule 5 kid from Oakland? We assuming he doesn't stick?
What about the Rule 5 kid from Oakland? We assuming he doesn't stick?
You'd rather have a Rule 5 guy than Weathers/Stanton? Not me. Rule 5 guys are long-shots and are kept only when there is roster spot to waste.
The Reds will likely use that extra spot for Josh Hamilton.
I don't know why Krivsky took a Rule 5 pitcher unless he plans a trade so he can own the guy outright and keep him in the minors.
I'm sure several of the Reds' AAA relievers will get chances this year. Remember last year when the Reds had numerous relievers pitch at one time or another. All teams get bullpen injuries, some guys will not pan out, there will be plenty of opportunities.
But in the late innings, I'd rather have Weathers or Stanton.
Nice lists.
I think they keep Watson as a starter for now, probably at Dayton. He's got a good mix of pitches and a durable frame -- they may see him as a guy with a relatively fresh arm who can use innings to refine command of a starter's repertoire.
Apparently Lutz was impressive in instructional league. I wouldn't be surprised if he's closing games in Sarasota.
I also would not be surprised if Avery were back in high A looking to gain some consistency. He still would not be old for that league.
A question -- has anyone read anything about Valiquette? His extended absence makes me think he's a longshot to be in a rotation anywhere.
I guess with all the candidates to round out the 12th spot (Burton, Shack, Salmon, Coutlangus, even Shearn, or Kelly), I'd rather have Octavio Dotel to close and one of those guys at the bottom of the staff. Better composition of the team than spendng the same $ on Weathers and Stanton.
Signing Stanton could still be ok if Cormier is dumped to recoup the $ and roster spot (Stanton is a slight upgrade from Cormier). Signing Weathers was a big waste IMO. I'd rather have Salmon.
Not to try to change the subject of this thread but I can't believe people bemoan not getting Octavio Dotel. He can throw hard, I'll give you that. But I saw a lot of his relief apperances last year, and he was horrific. He could barely throw strikes and was basically Weathers and Majewski during their bad periods combined but worse. Come Opening Day if we have a one run lead in the 9th I'd send Weathers or Stanton out for the save every day of the week over Dotel.
Actually my first choice would have been to not sign any relief pitchers, dump Lohse and pool all that money and get a good number 3 starter. even if it means trading a Wood and Freel and taking on a contract to do it.
But Dotel was in the first year back from surgery. There are always kinks then. Many pitchers come all the way back in year 2. If so, Dotel would be much preferred over a "BABIP lucky probably not to be repeated" Weathers or an "aging not much different from Bray or Cormier" Stanton. Dotel (or something he is traded for) could actually be an asset when the team is ready to be good again.
good points.
I think Watson is perceived as a ML reliever prospect - which raises the question how do you handle his development? Do you let him start games - and if so, for 3 innings with a strict pitch count, or do you allow him more flexibility. I would let him get acclimated in A ball by pitching him every few days (2-3) in the innings between the starters (they usually only go 5-6 innings at the beginning of the year) and the closer.
That's good news on Lutz - along with Watson and Arneson, we have some
hope for relief from the 2006 draft.
I am still holding on to the hope that Terrell Young will harness his power stuff in a relief role - I see him starting in Dayton for 2007. I am less hopeful for Valiquette - the Reds really mis-handled his development in my opinion. Starting his minor league career in Dayton, when his breaking pitch was so rough, did not make sense to me.
Terrell Young closed at Billings and did well. Got hit around in short stint at Dayton.
Should definitely be listed for the Dayton bullpen.
Gruler was shut down in August after a setback with his shoulder, no further news on his condition or what the setback was. Gardener was shut down so he would be ready for the instuctional league. I believe his mom posts on here from time to time so I hope that he is doing well.
Apparently Lutz was impressive in instructional league. I wouldn't be surprised if he's closing games in Sarasota.
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Updated chart based on comments so far. Still a lot of uncertainty obviously.
Code:Spot # Majors AAA AA A+ A- 1 Aaron Harang Homer Bailey Johnny Cueto Travis Wood Josh Ravin 2 Bronson Arroyo Tom Shearn Sam Lecure Carlos Fisher Jordan Smith 3 Kyle Lohse Phil Dumatrait Camilo Vazquez Phil Valiquette Daniel Guerrero/Jamie Arneson 4 Eric Milton Bob Livingston James Avery Daryl Thompson Anthony Gressick/Misael Dejesus 5 Eliz. Ramirez Tyler Pelland Eric Junge Francisco Mateo Brandon Rice 6 Matt Belisle Steve Kelly Richie Gardner Chris Gruler Rafael Gonzalez Pen Spot 1 Mike Stanton David Schafer Calvin Medlock Sean Watson Derrick Lutz 2 David Weathers Jon Coutlangus C. Bohorquez Robert Manual Brandon Camardese 3 Todd Coffey Brad Salmon Nick Moran Damien Ursin Lee Tabor 4 Bill Bray Carlos Guevera James Paduch R. Haltiwanger Terrell Young 5 Rheal Cormier Wes Wilkerson Brock Till Logan Ondrusek 6 Gary Majewski Jon George
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