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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    What reason can be directly tied to the team's propencity to fold up (read:Choke) in tense situations?

    When the chips are down, this team tanks it.

    Are they neurotic?

    Hire a team psychologist or something.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11 View Post
    WVRed, that looks pretty good except you're missing Peko. He'll be a/the starter at defensive tackle, and he's earned it.
    Yea, Peko is in the running with Joseph for team ROY. Peko showed the ability to get push on the run and was above average on the pass rush as well. I wonder how much of noticing him had to do with his hair, though?

    Changes? A speed first scatback in the backfield. New starting LBers. Replace Tory James. DE, DT, TE.

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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    1.) Fire Chuck.
    The rest are in no particular order:
    2.) Get a decent backup for Rudi. I don't like Watson, and Perry is always hurt.
    3.) Get CJ healthy.
    4.) Get another corner to go with JJ.

    I also might try and find another Off. Coordinator. It just seems like this offense is very predictable too often. The only thing that IMHO gets them by is the talent level of guys like Palmer, Housh, and the Johnsons.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Until this team can somehow get a sustained pass rush they won't be competitive deep into January.

    I hope the years of reaching on low ceiling players like Justin Smith and David Pollack are over. You can't wreak havoc on opposing teams with short arm Justin bull rushing past the Qb every play. He creates a massive pocket almost every single play.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    What reason can be directly tied to the team's propencity to fold up (read:Choke) in tense situations?
    lack of character. You'll always reach a point in a tough scrap when it is easier to quit than continue to fight. The guys with character issues will quit.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    lack of character. You'll always reach a point in a tough scrap when it is easier to quit than continue to fight. The guys with character issues will quit.
    Really?
    Who do you identify as "character issues?"
    It didn't look like Chris Henry quit yesterday or last week.

    In fact the biggest blowups the last two weeks have been from the highest character guys on the team.
    Shayne Graham and Brad St.Louis.
    Carson's 63 passer rating probably didn't help either. Maybe he's a low character guy.
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    Do the Bengals have players that mentor new players coming in from college? So many players do not know how to deal with getting all the money that comes along with being in professional sports. They should set them up with current players to guide them along. I realize that this wouldn't end all trouble with the law, but I think it would help.

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    A bad snap, a missed kick, guess what? Those things happen. Instead of redoubling their efforts the Bengals defense gave the Steelers the easiest touchdown they probably scored all season. It was rather obvious that the team gave up the fight after the missed kick and the lost coin toss. The overtime stamped and exclamation point on the differnce between quitters and winners. Character issues are all about effort and selflessness, especially when things appear bleak.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    Really?
    Who do you identify as "character issues?"
    It didn't look like Chris Henry quit yesterday or last week.

    In fact the biggest blowups the last two weeks have been from the highest character guys on the team.
    Shayne Graham and Brad St.Louis.
    Carson's 63 passer rating probably didn't help either. Maybe he's a low character guy.
    Chris Henry had quit on a number of plays earlier in the game. I distinctly remember a couple of passes that he could have gotten to, but seemed to be slacking off, allowing the DB to get position. If he turns on the jets we know he has, he catches those balls. He's also been known to erase his own big plays with stupid taunting penalties. Just because he comes through on a couple of passes late in the game doesn't necessarily make him a great team player. He's one of those guy with million dollar talent and a 10 cent head.

    St. Louis' foul up in the Denver game is a bitter pill to swallow. It's an extra point. You have to make that snap. Graham's kick looked good, but took a weird turn at the end, which led me to believe he was just a victim of a bad crosswind. Then again, maybe he just shanked it. But with the past history of Bengals kickers, I think Shayne gets a "we'll get them next time." The bigger problem on that drive was the poor clock management that left the Bengals without the opportunity to get it closer.

    Carson's problems with sailing it over receivers heads? I think that may be related to some lingering lack of confidence in the O-Line, but he still needs to step up and make plays, especially on those blitzes. Maybe with his audible power, he needs to call more quick slants or look to the RB in the hole created by the blitzing rusher. Other teams use that to great success against the Bengals.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    what do some players think?

    Selfishness gets the blame
    The 2006 Bengals: What went wrong?
    BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM

    Bengals players echoed their coach, as they often do, after the season-ending loss Sunday to the Steelers.

    In Paul Brown Stadium's home locker room, selfishness was cited repeatedly as the reason the Bengals under-achieved in 2006.

    "Small, every gap is small in football," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said. "There are not wide gaps in the NFL, very small. But it takes people that are selfless."

    Said right tackle Willie Anderson: "We all know it is selfishness. We as a team will never get over the hump with the selfishness."

    Lewis and his players stopped short of defining selfishness, but examples were on display all year.

    Players who get into trouble off the field are viewed as selfish by their teammates, though no one would mention names.

    Talented players such as wide receiver Chris Henry and linebacker Odell Thurman - examples 1a and 1b of the bad-boy Bengals - might come to work and work hard. But they're not at home getting rest, studying film or their playbooks when they're out into the wee hours of the morning and getting into trouble.

    It's not a stretch to say the Bengals' defense missed Thurman's big-play ability at middle linebacker, where his consistency and knowledge of assignments as a second-year player would have had to improve over his rookie season.

    When a bit player like rookie wide receiver Reggie McNeal got into trouble outside a Houston nightclub, Lewis defended him publicly, saying he was the victim of a bad arrest. Why didn't Lewis make an example of McNeal in some way? Instead, there was an air of "anything goes" in the locker room.
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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    what do some players think?
    YIPEE. player's echoing marvins words in hopes he doesn't find them to be the selfish ones.

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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Marvin needs to return to the mantra of "do your job" of a few years ago.
    What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?

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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Pack up and move the team to LA. LOL

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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    what do some players think?
    From the same article, you left out the part that makes it seem like lunches are the problem. I've heard of a lot of things in my life, but lack of team lunches and not cleaning up the break room are some new ones.

    http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...PT02/701020319

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    LEAVING FOR LUNCH

    Speaking of the locker room, Tory James, Deltha O'Neal and Johnathan Joseph were among the players who left almost every day during the season for lunch. They did not stay with their teammates. There was a lack of unity.

    Tailback Rudi Johnson addressed the need for team cohesion, but not in any specific context.

    "We need to come together as a team and stay together all the time," Johnson said after the game.

    Other players don't leave, but they take their team-provided lunches and head into the lounge (where there are video games, a television and pool table) or another room (where there is a ping-pong table). Twice during the season, Lewis locked the lounge door, not as a punishment for poor game performance or a loss but because it was not cleaned up.

    Then there are those players who, at times, seem more concerned about individual statistics than the team's success.

    Lewis commented within the past two weeks that individual numbers will come when the team wins. He is aware of the problem, nothing unique in the NFL to the Bengals.

    In the past two years, some Bengals players have grumbled about the attention-getting behavior of wide receiver Chad Johnson, though Johnson toned down his act considerably this past season.

    For certain, the offseason will bring changes. Lewis, 8-8 in three of his four seasons as Bengals coach, faces pressure to get the Bengals deep into the playoffs.

    FREE AGENCY IMPACT

    Several high-profile players are unrestricted free agents, and short of team designations to limit their mobility, players the likes of defensive end Justin Smith and guard Eric Steinbach could end up wearing other uniforms next season.

    But money should not be the object.

    The salary cap for 2007 is $109 million. The Bengals are $28.4 million under the cap. They, like other NFL teams, have all kinds of room to do business.

    Desire to spend and to win - not finances - would be the only reasons the Bengals would not re-sign players the caliber of Smith or Steinbach.

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    Re: List your Bengal changes here.

    Character issues are all about effort
    And Shayne Graham's effort fell short.

    Put blame where it belongs. Shayne Graham missed the kick, and it really doesn't matter if he's been arrested 5 times or not.

    It didn't help him that his head coach can't manage a clock worth a crap.


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