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    Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

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    After his strong 2006 season, Reds third baseman Edwin Encarnacion couldn't have been blamed for opting out of playing winter ball for some rest and relaxation. The 24-year-old was one of the Reds' bright spots last season, when he hit .276 and tied for third on the team with 72 RBIs.
    But Encarnacion apparently isn't satisfied with just being good. He's showing why he's among the game's brightest young stars while playing in the Dominican Winter League. After hitting .292 with four homers and 12 RBIs through 72 regular-season at-bats, Encarnacion is 8-for-22 with a home run and four RBIs in six playoff games.

    Encarnacion is one of several Reds prospects playing in the Venezuelan, Mexican Pacific and Dominican Winter Leagues. Here's how they performed this week:

    Venezuelan Winter League
    IF Ray Olmedo -- Olmedo went 3-for-12 with two RBIs in his last three games. He is hitting .295 with two homers and 15 RBIs in 139 at-bats.

    SS Luis Bolivar -- Bolivar collected three hits in 14 at-bats. Though the 25-year-old did not homer, he finished with a .294 batting average and a .369 on-base percentage in 187 at-bats.

    SS Alex Gonzalez -- After starting the season with six hits in his first 31 at-bats, Gonzalez went 6-for-10 to finish on a high note. He batted .293 with one home run and three RBIs in 41 at-bats.

    IF Anderson Machado -- Machado collected four hits in his final 12 at-bats to raise his average to .208. He cracked one homer and drove in three runs in 77 at-bats.

    RHP Carlos Bohorquez -- Bohorquez finished the season with a sparkling 1.31 ERA in 20 2/3 frames. He held opponents to a .183 batting average. The right-hander took the loss, however, in Caracas' 4-3 playoff setback to Magallanes on Jan. 2.

    Mexican Pacific League
    IF Juan Castro -- Castro batted .182 without a home run or RBI in 22 at-bats.

    1B Jesse Gutierrez -- Gutierrez went 6-for-22 over his last seven games to finish the regular season with a .260 batting average, 12 homers and 39 RBIs in 66 games.

    OF Norris Hopper -- Hopper hit .296 with two home runs and 18 RBIs in 135 at-bats.

    RHP Daniel Guerrero -- Guerrero allowed two runs over six innings, striking out four without issuing a walk.

    RHP Tom Shearn -- Shearn went 6-3 with a 2.76 ERA. In 71 2/3 innings, he fanned 61 batters and walked 28.

    Dominican Winter League
    OF Chris Denorfia -- Denorfia hit .258 with 12 RBIs in 93 at-bats. He did not hit a home run.

    C Chad Moeller -- Moeller collected just two hits in 29 at-bats.

    1B Joey Votto -- Votto hit .275 with one home run and seven RBIs in 51 at-bats.

    RHP Johnny Cueto -- Cueto surrendered six runs over 6 1/3 innings, walking five and striking out six.
    Good to see Moeller staying in form.
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
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    Good to see Moeller staying in form.
    Castro, too.
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    I really hope that Olmedo is the backup IF for the Reds. I like that he is still improving his offense. Defensively I always though he had good range and footwork. When he was younger he tended to want to be flashy, but now leans toward being solid defensively.
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    What's the difficulty difference between these 3 leagues?

    Ray-Ray and Gonzo are doing pretty well in the Venezuelan Winter League yet they aren't really known for their hitting prowess. Yet Deno and Votto aren't exactly tearing it up in the Dominican.
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Votto got sent home after like 2 weeks or so i believe... so did deno

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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by The_jbh View Post
    Votto got sent home after like 2 weeks or so i believe... so did deno
    You are half right. Deno was sent home....Votto left for family reasons.

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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    What's the difficulty difference between these 3 leagues?

    Ray-Ray and Gonzo are doing pretty well in the Venezuelan Winter League yet they aren't really known for their hitting prowess. Yet Deno and Votto aren't exactly tearing it up in the Dominican.
    The Dominican league is the toughest. I'd say Puerto Rico and Venezuela are a little behind, but can compete with the Dominican.

    The Mexican league is way below those three
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    Does anyone have access to or can you tell me where I can see numbers for these leagues? I want to see how other teams players did too so I can compare the talent.

    Thanks
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    Does anyone have access to or can you tell me where I can see numbers for these leagues? I want to see how other teams players did too so I can compare the talent.

    Thanks
    Venezuelan League:

    http://www.lvbp.com

    Look for Bateadores or Lanzadores on the left hand side for stats.

    Dominican League:

    I'm using this site currently:

    http://www.escogido.com/porequipos.htm

    it will give you stats team by team (EdE plays with Aguilas).


    One thing to note, you will see TWO sets of stats for each league. That's because these leagues play an elimination round (about 60 games) and then a round-roubin round with the best 5 teams. (16 games).
    The top two teams in the round robin play a 7 game championship playoff.


    To get a perspective you may want to add both up. Needless to say the qualtity of play in the round robin round is higher because all the players have reported and the playoff teams usually reinforce their squads with players from the eliminated teams.


    I have yet to find a good site for the Puerto Rican or Mexican (Pacific) Leagues.
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Puerto Rico Winter League (Spanish)
    http://www.hitboricua.com/


    Offensive Stats (Spanish/English)
    http://www.hitboricua.com/LBPPR/Stat...s.12.22.06.pdf

    Pitching Stats (Spanish/English)
    http://www.hitboricua.com/LBPPR/Stat...s.12.22.06.pdf

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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBurn View Post
    Puerto Rico Winter League (Spanish)
    http://www.hitboricua.com/


    Offensive Stats (Spanish/English)
    http://www.hitboricua.com/LBPPR/Stat...s.12.22.06.pdf

    Pitching Stats (Spanish/English)
    http://www.hitboricua.com/LBPPR/Stat...s.12.22.06.pdf

    TheBurn...What happened to the Cangrejeros de Santurce?
    Did they move or fold?
    (They were my favorite team when I lived in PR).
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    Re: Edwin killing the winter ball playoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by oneupper View Post
    TheBurn...What happened to the Cangrejeros de Santurce?
    Did they move or fold?
    (They were my favorite team when I lived in PR).
    They are now the Manatí Athenians.
    Manatí, PR is where Javier Valentin was born.
    In 2004, after a big decline in attendance in recent years, the Crabbers were sold to NY Mets 2B Jose Valentin (Javy's older brother). Valentin moved the team to Manatí, with the approval of the mayor of San Juan—causing controversy among Crabbers fans. In response, the mayor changed the name of the San Juan Senators to Santurce Crabbers for the 2004-05 season. However, the following season, the "new" Crabbers moved to Arecibo and the team changed its name to the Lobos (Wolves), leaving Santurce without a baseball team for the first time in the league's history.

    BTW... Javy belted 3 HRs in a 10-0 win Thursday night for Manatí.

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    Thanks!
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