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  • Albert Belle

    6 21.43%
  • Gene Benson

    1 3.57%
  • George Burns

    3 10.71%
  • Jesse Burkett

    10 35.71%
  • Fred Clarke

    10 35.71%
  • Jose Cruz

    2 7.14%
  • George Foster

    6 21.43%
  • Augie Galan

    0 0%
  • Goose Goslin

    16 57.14%
  • Chick Hafey

    2 7.14%
  • Topsy Hartsel

    1 3.57%
  • Pete Hill

    1 3.57%
  • Frank Howard

    3 10.71%
  • Monte Irvin

    9 32.14%
  • Joe Jackson

    21 75.00%
  • Bob Johnson

    2 7.14%
  • Joe Kelley

    3 10.71%
  • Charlie Keller

    7 25.00%
  • Sherry Magee

    5 17.86%
  • Heinie Manush

    6 21.43%
  • Minnie Minoso

    6 21.43%
  • Lefty O'Doul

    3 10.71%
  • Tip O'Neill

    4 14.29%
  • Jim O'Rourke

    2 7.14%
  • Jim Rice

    12 42.86%
  • Jimmy Sheckard

    2 7.14%
  • Al Simmons

    17 60.71%
  • Turkey Stearnes

    12 42.86%
  • Harry Stovey

    1 3.57%
  • Mule Suttles

    12 42.86%
  • Bobby Veach

    2 7.14%
  • Zack Wheat

    10 35.71%
  • Roy White

    0 0%
  • Ken Williams

    0 0%
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Thread: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

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    RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    Vote for all LEFT FIELDERS you believe should be in the RedsZone Hall of Fame. This is a multiple-choice poll so you're allowed to vote for more than one player.

    For reference purposes: Major League Baseball Hall of Fame Left Fielders

    Previously Elected Left Fielders: Lou Brock, Ed Delahanty, Ralph Kiner, Joe Medwick, Stan Musial, Willie Stargell, Billy Williams, Ted Williams, & Carl Yastrzemski

    Dropped From Ballot: Dusty Baker, Don Baylor, Don Buford, Joe Carter, Rico Carty, Tommy Davis, Brian Downing, Del Ennis, Kirk Gibson, Sid Gordon, Tommy Harper, Jeff Heath, willie Horton, Dave Kingman, Greg Luzinski, Gary Matthews, Hal McRae, Kevin McReynolds, & Riggs Stephenson

    Players from earlier eras may be lesser known among some RedsZone voters, but in the efforts of encouraging everybody to vote while also maintaining a somewhat level playing field for all eligible candidates, we've instituted a tier system for support needed to gain election ...
    • Negro Leaguers: Need 3/8 support
    • 19th century (i.e. pre 1903): Need 2/5 support
    • Early Modern (roughly 1903-1945): Need 1/2 support
    • Integration (roughly 1945-1970): Need 5/8 support
    • Post Integration (roughly 1970-present): Need 2/3 support
    • Ineligible List: Need 3/4 support

    The charts below are win shares data for all candidates. In order from left to right, the columns are career win shares, five-year peak win shares, win shares per 162 games, win shares during a player's top season and the predominant era each player played in (for purposes of the tier voting system). Happy voting!
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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Albert Belle        245        140       25.78         37       Post Integration
    Gene Benson         --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    George Burns        290        138       25.35         34       Early Modern to WWII
    Jesse Burkett       389        147       30.48         38       19th Century
    Fred Clarke         400        133       28.90         31       Early Modern to WWII
    Jose Cruz           313        124       21.54         30       Post Integration
    George Foster       269        132       22.04         32       Post Integration
    Augie Galan         263        130       24.45         32       Early Modern to WWII
    Goose Goslin        355        147       25.14         33       Early Modern to WWII
    Chick Hafey         186        113       23.48         25       Early Modern to WWII
    Topsy Hartsel       223        124       26.68         30       Early Modern to WWII
    Pete Hill           --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Frank Howard        297        153       25.38         38       Integration
    Monte Irvin**       --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Joe Jackson***      323        184       39.28         39       Early Modern to WWII
    Bob Johnson         287        118       24.95         31       Early Modern to WWII
    Joe Kelley          305        136       26.82         31       19th Century
    
    * Missed playing time due to WWII
    ** Monte Irvin played 764 games in MLB, from 1949-1956, and made his MLB debut at age 30
    *** Currently on the MLB ineligible list
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    Player          Career WS   Peak WS   WS per 162  Top Season       Era
    Charlie Keller*     218        148       30.18         36       Early Modern to WWII
    Sherry Magee        354        151       27.47         38       Early Modern to WWII
    Heinie Manush       285        128       22.98         35       Early Modern to WWII
    Minnie Minoso       283        133       24.98         32       Integration
    Lefty O'Doul        144        122       24.04         33       Early Modern to WWII
    Tip O'Neill         213        137       32.73         36       19th Century
    Jim O'Rourke        305        103       27.85         25       19th Century
    Jim Rice            282        127       21.86         36       Post Integration
    Jimmy Sheckard      339        127       25.88         33       Early Modern to WWII
    Al Simmons          375        153       27.42         36       Early Modern to WWII
    Turkey Stearnes     --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Harry Stovey        265        121       28.88         28       19th Century
    Mule Suttles        --------------- NEGRO LEAGUES ----------------------------------
    Bobby Veach         265        137       23.56         32       Early Modern to WWII
    Zack Wheat          380        128       25.54         35       Early Modern to WWII
    Roy White           263        140       22.65         34       Post Integration
    Ken Williams        202        124       23.42         30       Early Modern to WWII
    
    * Missed playing time due to WWII
    Last edited by Cyclone792; 01-08-2007 at 03:43 PM.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    I know this might not be a popular opinion, but Albert Belle will eventually be near the top of the list of one of the best players to never get the HOF nod.

    He gets my vote for our poll.

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I know this might not be a popular opinion, but Albert Belle will eventually be near the top of the list of one of the best players to never get the HOF nod.

    He gets my vote for our poll.
    I would have voted for him if he'd lasted in the majors longer. His injury cut his career too short IMO. The other stuff shouldn't matter. He was one of the top hitters for a few years.

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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    My ballot ...

    Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Goose Goslin, Monte Irvin, Joe Jackson, Sherry Magee, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons, Turkey Stearnes, Mule Suttles, and Zack Wheat.

    I've always felt Magee and Sheckard were a bit underrated, though I'm partial to Dead Ball Era and early 20th century players. Stearnes and Suttles were two elite Negro League hitters so they definitely got my vote. I go back and forth on Jackson, but decided to vote for him.

    This ballot's open until January 22nd so there's still a bit of time left to vote.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    Interesting; very little love here for Jose Cruz, who's kind of well known for being a truly great hitter trapped in a park that deflated his stats. And none at all for Roy White, who was a lesser-known victim of the same syndrome. It's tough; you have to vote for what a player actually did, not what he would have done if life were fair. In the same vein, in a just world, Minoso would have put up enough stats to coast into the Hall; instead he's a tough call. I didn't vote for him but probably will next time.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    I voted for:

    Belle, Burkett, Clarke, Goslin, Irvin, Jackson, Johnson, Manush, Minoso, Rice, Simmons, Stearnes, Suttles, and Wheat.
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    Re: RedsZone Hall of Fame, Version 2006-07 - Left Fielders

    Five left fielders were elected this season, and we now have 14 left fielders elected to the RedsZone Hall of Fame.

    Two Negro Leaguers who are arguably the top two left fielders in Negro League history, Turkey Stearnes and Mule Suttles, are among the five elected. Al Simmons and Goose Goslin were also elected, with both hitters playing during the high-scoring era of the 1920s and 1930s.

    The surprise election was that of Joe Jackson, who received exactly the minimum 75 percent necessary for election.
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    Left Fielders (14)
                    
    Lou Brock             
    Ed Delahanty
    Goose Goslin
    Joe Jackson          
    Ralph Kiner           
    Joe Medwick           
    Stan Musial 
    Al Simmons          
    Willie Stargell
    Turkey Stearnes
    Mule Suttles       
    Billy Williams        
    Ted Williams          
    Carl Yastrzemski
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