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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Not that it matters all that much, but why 400 plate appearances?

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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not that it matters all that much, but why 400 plate appearances?

    sample size issues
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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    sample size issues
    I understand that, but why not 375? How much does the picture open up with 375, say?

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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I understand that, but why not 375? How much does the picture open up with 375, say?
    yes, but the square root of 400 is a whole number....
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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    yes, but the square root of 400 is a whole number....
    True. Like I said, it's not a huge deal--just wondered why the frame was somewhat restrictive.

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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not that it matters all that much, but why 400 plate appearances?
    Because it touches beyond the realm of being a backup. It represents about 58% of the total trips to a plate by a catcher for the Reds in 2006 and over 50% for every team in the NL aside from the Padres.

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    PLATE APPEARANCES               PA     
    1    Padres                      838   
    2    Nationals                   761   
    3    Mets                        737   
    4    Reds                        727   
    5    Cubs                        710   
    6    Astros                      689   
    7    Braves                      687   
    8    Dodgers                     679   
    9    Diamondbacks                673   
    10   Phillies                    670   
    11   Giants                      663   
    12   Rockies                     653   
    13   Marlins                     642   
    14   Cardinals                   640   
    15   Brewers                     638   
    16   Pirates                     611

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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I understand that, but why not 375? How much does the picture open up with 375, say?
    Adds one player (2000 Brent Mayne), 350 ab's adds three more, 325 adds one more after that, 300 doesn't add any. So since 2000 in the NL only 33 catchers out of 98 have had an OPS of .775 or better with at least 300 PA's. That's about 1/3rd of the seasons.

    This tells me to not bank on offense from my catcher, and if another brings some latch onto that one for the brief ride.

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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Adds one player (2000 Brent Mayne), 350 ab's adds three more, 325 adds one more after that, 300 doesn't add any. So since 2000 in the NL only 33 catchers out of 98 have had an OPS of .775 or better with at least 300 PA's. That's about 1/3rd of the seasons.

    This tells me to not bank on offense from my catcher, and if another brings some latch onto that one for the brief ride.
    Here's another way to benchmark the position:
    2006 major league average at catcher: .268/.326/.413 OPS: .739

    only two positions had a lower OPS' than catcher last season:
    2B: .738
    SS: .735

    The defensive spectrum strikes again....
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Ross signs 2 year deal; Paul Wilson signs minor league deal

    Quote Originally Posted by dfs View Post
    There were only 5 other catchers in MLB who got 300 at bats and put up an OPS above 800. Lower the AB threshold to 100 and you still only have 12 guys that did that.

    If he does that and the team feels he does well enough in the field, he's not a problem. Certainly not at that salary.
    There's the rub. Even if his batting numbers are on par with last year (granted a BIG if), his defense would still give the devil nightmares.

    That is, unless, the devil likes dreaming about throws from the outfield skipping under the catcher's shinguards.
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