Gambling erodes the very foundation, the purpose, of the game. Once gambling is involved, playing to win is no longer necessary. People who are taking steroids are simply trying to do better at what they already want to do. Gambling risks a change in the alignment of purpose.
That's why it's different, and worse. Now yes, you could say that Pete only gambled on games he could not affect or when he did bet on the Reds, it was for them to win. But even then, what if he played a guy nursing an injury because he "needed" to win that particular game -- even though it wasn't in the team's best interest long term? It's a slippery slope that you can't afford to even begin to go down.
To me, it's not an issue of contrition. I think the HoF should be a museum of history, and thus Pete Rose should be banned from baseball, and in the HoF regardless. But that's neither here nor there.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Maybe Barry hopes those guys will precede him to the HOF so that he can then say, "Hey, you let Mac and Rose in...why not me too?"
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For the first time I ever, I agree with 1 little, itty bitty thing Bonds said....
Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame.
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I have no problem with keeping all three out of the hall.
What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?
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No smart gambler is going to wager on a team to win if he he doesnt think he has a good chance at winning. He is going to pick and choose when he should place his bets and then manage his team accordingly. Having a manager more worried about strategizing how to make money off the game or the next game will ultimately affect the integrity of the game.
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Bonds will be the only one that will get in anytime in the near future IMO. Right or wrong, the writers know that Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he started using. They can't say that about McGwire. They have to justify it somehow.
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I think all of them should be in the Hall. In my opinion Bonds is in the top five players of all time and has won more mvps than any one else. McGuire was a homerun threat his whole career, and it was never proven that he took steroids. Pete rose did the worst thing in baseball. But i think he has served his time and been banished long enough.
You know what Whitey Herzog said about Pete's managing skills? He said he loved managing against Pete because he couldn't manage a bullpen.
I always thought that a good comparison to Pete, the late 80's-early 90's Reds and Lou was the Army of the Potomac in the Civil War. I liken Pete to Gen. George McClellen. McClellen was a top notch general. His troops loved him. Everybody had all the confidence in the world that he would rout Gen. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia and win the war. McClellen made those men into soldiers just like Pete made those kids into maor league ballplayers. Only problem was it didn't quite happen the way it was supposed to and eventually Lincoln fired him cause he wouldn't fit unless he was so sure he had the upper hand. McClellen had a little Bob Boone in him too, it seems. Lincoln brought him back in a Steinbrennerish move but eventually fired him again and eventually brought in Ulysses Grant who had done some fine work out west. Thanks to McClellen, the soldiers knew how to fight. They just needed the right guy to lead them. The Reds needed the right guy to lead them too and that was Lou Piniella. Both deserve a lot of credit for that championship.
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