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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Saarloos is a ground ball pitcher, so I understand the thinking. He'll be the fifth starter coming out of camp, no doubt.

    To me, Bellhorn is very interesting. I would expect him to make the team with Castro as extra infielders. That doesn't leave a lot of room for other bench players. Deno, Valentin, Hamilton, Conine? One too many.

    Either they don't expect Deno to make it, or they don't expect Hamilton to make it, or they have something else brewing.
    I think they have something else brewing. Could it possibly be Phillips being dealt?

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Rotoworld.com:

    Reds acquired RHP Kirk Saarloos and a player to be named from the Athletics for RHP David Shafer and a player to be named.

    Saarloos went 7-7 with a 4.75 ERA and a 52/53 K/BB ratio in 121 1/3 innings while splitting time between the rotation and the pen for the A's last season. He has a much better chance of continuing to survive in the majors as a National Leaguer, and he could be the favorite to begin the season as Cincinnati's fifth starter. Since he's only going to make $1.2 million this year, it's not a bad pickup for the Reds.
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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    CINCINNATI (AP) —

    The Oakland Athletics traded pitcher Kirk Saarloos to the Cincinnati Reds on Tuesday for minor league reliever David Shafer.

    Each team also received a player to be named.

    The 27-year-old Saarloos went 7-7 with two saves and a 4.75 ERA last season for the AL West champions. After being Oakland’s No. 5 starter in 2005, he made 16 starts and 19 relief appearances last year.

    Saarloos had a chance to rejoin the rotation full-time this year under new A’s manager Bob Geren. Last week, Saarloos and the Athletics avoided salary arbitration when they agreed on a one-year contract worth $1.2 million.

    Shafer, a 24-year-old righty, had 26 saves and a 2.36 ERA for Double-A Chattanooga last year.
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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Bellhorn is interesting although he was brutal in both New York and San Diego after the Red Sox gave up on him.

    Saarloos...hmmm...I don't know if he's even got as much upside as Lohse. I suppose, if nothing else, it means we have an actual major leaguer as the #5 starter instead of Belisle/Ramirez/etc.

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...3/c1784694.jsp
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    01/23/2007 3:36 PM ET
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    The Reds acquired RHP Kirk Saarloos (pronounced SAHR-lohs) and a player to be named in exchange for RHP David Shafer and a player to be named from the Oakland Athletics today.
    Saarloos, 27, last season for the A's went 7-7, 4.75 with 2 saves in 16 starts and 19 relief appearances. In his 5-year Major League career he is 27-25, 4.79 with 3 complete games, 2 shutouts and 2 saves in 123 appearances, including 69 starts, for the Astros and the A's. Shafer, 24, last season at Class AA Chattanooga posted a 2.36era with 26 saves in 44 relief appearances. In November he was added to the Reds' 40-man roster.

    Versatile veteran IF Mark Bellhorn has agreed to terms on a minor league contract with an invitation to Major League Spring Training camp. Bellhorn, 32, spent last season with the National League West Division champion Padres. He has more than 200 career appearances at both 2B and 3B and also has played 1B (41g) and SS (31g). He was a member of the 2004 World Series champion Red Sox, and also has played for the Athletics, Cubs, Rockies, Yankees and Padres.

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Quote Originally Posted by dunner13 View Post
    I think its a very nice pickup. He wont ever be as good as Harang or Arroyo but in the NL he could be a solid #3.
    A #3? On this staff---possibly. Solid? Ummmm,.......no.

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Leader View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if Saarloos was acquired for the bullpen or the rotation.

    There goes RZ's 12th rated Red's prospect...
    I see him as a #5 starter. His stuff really doesn't translate that well to the pen.
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    Interesting signing of Bellhorn, he Ks at a higher rate than Dunn. He is right behind him(less BBs and HRs) as the king of TTO.
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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Does anyone think its possible that Jared Burton the rule v pick from The A's could be the ptbnl? This way if he doesn't stay on the 25 man roster the Reds keep him on 40 man roster but option him to AAA. If Burton stays on 25 man roster all year then Reds choose someone else from the A's?

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallen5862 View Post
    Does anyone think its possible that Jared Burton the rule v pick from The A's could be the ptbnl? This way if he doesn't stay on the 25 man roster the Reds keep him on 40 man roster but option him to AAA. If Burton stays on 25 man roster all year then Reds choose someone else from the A's?
    I'd say thats a highly possible scenario.

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    The Sporting News says, "Saarloos is a control pitcher who gets a tone of grounders with his sinker."

    That sounds so much better than them saying he gives up 40 homers a year!!

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Daddy View Post
    The Sporting News says, "Saarloos is a control pitcher who gets a tone of grounders with his sinker."
    That's what we've all been clamoring for, isn't it?

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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    My first thought was "well, there's your number 5 starter. You don't trade Shafer for a guy you want to slip through waivers." and then I thought a bit and looked.

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    I wonder if Wayne just got his closer. As a reliever his K/9 is around 7.
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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Never heard of the kid but hopefully he'll be some help in the rotation.
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    Re: Reds acquire Saarloos, sign Bellhorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallen5862 View Post
    Does anyone think its possible that Jared Burton the rule v pick from The A's could be the ptbnl? This way if he doesn't stay on the 25 man roster the Reds keep him on 40 man roster but option him to AAA. If Burton stays on 25 man roster all year then Reds choose someone else from the A's?
    If a player who is selected in the Rule V draft doesn't stick on his new team's 25-man, not only does he have to be offered back to his old team, but if the old team declines to take him back, then the player has to be exposed to waivers before he can be sent down.

    Therefore we'd essentially need 30 teams' permission to send him to AAA.
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