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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Hopefully the PTBNL going to Oakland in this deal.

    Elizardo Ramirez, start looking for real estate in the Bay Area.
    That would make this a bad trade really fast. You don't trade 23 (now 24?) year old pitchers who pitched well for 3 months last year.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Hopefully the PTBNL going to Oakland in this deal.

    Elizardo Ramirez, start looking for real estate in the Bay Area.
    ugh. EZ is twice the pitcher Saarloos is.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Anytime you can pick up a guy who's likely to outperform 2/5 of your rotation, and do so for nothing, you've made a solid move. No guarantees with Saarloos, but it's definitely better than not trying at all.

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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Anytime you can pick up a guy who's likely to outperform 2/5 of your rotation, and do so for nothing, you've made a solid move. No guarantees with Saarloos, but it's definitely better than not trying at all.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    That would make this a bad trade really fast. You don't trade 23 (now 24?) year old pitchers who pitched well for 3 months last year.
    You do if they're under 6' tall and lacking a dominant fastball.

    I'd like to see the Reds get something out of EZ while there are still people out there who think he can be an effective starter.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Anytime you can pick up a guy who's likely to outperform 2/5 of your rotation, and do so for nothing, you've made a solid move. No guarantees with Saarloos, but it's definitely better than not trying at all.
    Wow...optimism!!

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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    I've always been intrigued by Saarloos -- great record in college, but didn't have the pro measurables. Kinda like Shane Komine, who not coincidently is in the Oakland system. Good to have some starting pitching depth, and if he proves effective at the back of the rotation, nice that the Reds control him for a few years yet. The team continues to morph, little by little, to pitching and defense.

    I have never been a big Bellhorn fan, but he could provide something I've been hoping the Reds could acquire -- a LH-hitting backup who can play 2B and 3B, to give Phillips and EdE breathers now and then against tough righties. I like the fit.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    1 Bronson Arroyo (R)
    2 Aaron Harang (R)
    3 Eric Milton (L)
    4 Kyle Lohse (R)
    5 Paul Wilson (R)
    5 Kirk Saarloos (R)
    5 Homer Bailey (R)
    5 Elizardo Ramirez (R)


    This is better than it was.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Saarloos is a weird bird. His strikeout abilities have totally evaporated at the major league level. He's got a 8.17 K/9 in 218.2 minor league innings and a 4.34 K/9 in 440 major league innings. That major league number, almost miraculously, has gotten worse in recent years (3.70, 2.99 and 3.86).

    If it stays that low Saarloos can't hope to be anything but back of the rotation fodder even in the most optimistic of scenarios. The next time he allows an .871 OPS against, Saarloos can expect disaster. He's got to get back to the .737 area where he was in 2005. Yet, because of his sinker, he doesn't need a high K rate to succeed. Saaloos could probably be a pretty good pitcher with a 5.25ish K/9. Hopefullly that will happen and he can be a reliable league average guy for a few years.

    Interesting to see the A's pluck Shafer. He'll bear watching in the future.
    I'm looking for him to hit the .750 OPS area and if that happens he'll be able to keep the team in ballgames and give us opportunities to win.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    I'd say he acquired a probable fifth starter for very little. That still leaves him two starters short unless people are expecting big turnarounds from Milton and Lohse.

    This is how I see it, too.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Positive acquisition with this move
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    I like the Bellhorn signing. As for the trade, meh. I liked Shafer and think he'll be a solid reliever.
    I miss Adam Dunn.

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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    1 Bronson Arroyo (R)
    2 Aaron Harang (R)
    3 Eric Milton (L)
    4 Kyle Lohse (R)
    5 Paul Wilson (R)
    5 Kirk Saarloos (R)
    5 Homer Bailey (R)
    5 Elizardo Ramirez (R)


    This is better than it was.
    Don't forget that Victor Santos is also in the #5 mix somewhere.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    I'll wait and see before I jump up and down...I like the fact that the guy is a GB pitcher and I am encouraged that he is a sinker ball pitcher too...Pole has had some success with pitchers of his make up.
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    Re: Reds trade for A's pitcher Saarloos

    OMG WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT MARK BELLHORN.

    Mark Bellhorn is HOTT like a locomotive in heat.

    (I also approve the Saarloos trade. I've actually thought before this is someone the reds should get.)
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