What will have to take place for "the trade" to even out?

[GOREDSGO32]

Say Kearns and Lopez continue with their career numbers, barring injury (I don't know why you would wanna root for a guy to get injured though so the trade turns out to look better for your team), what would Bray, Majeski, and the minor leaguers brought in have to accomplish to make this trade look close to even? I would think if Bray and Majekski get great numbers in their time here as long relievers, say around 3 ERA or under, it would be a very beneficial trade on our part. I have no idea what our minor leaguers are we got out of the deal are, I don't think they were impact players, but if any of those pan out to be decent major leaguers, in addition, that would make the trade seem pretty darn good looking.

[TRF]

Harris and Clayton are out of the equation. Majewski will never be anything more than an average reliever. Bray could be special. maybe.

So in order for this trade to even out, Daryl Thompson needs to be healthy.

And freaking spectacular.

[edabbs44]

I think it's going to be nearly impossible.

[GOREDSGO32]

Who was Harris, and he's already gone? And who is this Darryl Thompson guy?

[dunner13]

Bray becomes a closer, hes a lefty so lets say he magically turns into billy wagner. Magewski comes back as one of the better set up men in baseball. And darryl thompson makes the big leagues as a solid #3. That would make me happy.

[Will M]

We are already ahead.

Gonzalez > Lopez

Bray, Majik > Kearns

[Danny Serafini]

Who was Harris, and he's already gone? And who is this Darryl Thompson guy?

Brendan Harris, an infielder who got sent to Tampa Bay recently for a player to be named. Thompson is a single A pitcher who apparently was a good prospect but was coming off an injury, he didn't pitch much last year.

[noskill27]

We are already ahead.

Gonzalez > Lopez

Bray, Majik > Kearns

I'm in agreement. Lopez has to be one of most overrated Reds of recent times...

[marcshoe]

Time travel.

[Sean_CaseyRules]

I'm in agreement. Lopez has to be one of most overrated Reds of recent times...

I'm also with this, I do not see anything that he should be a big loss, but I do remember when he used to get dogged on here because he couldn't field or throw accurately! He has speed, but other than that?

[edabbs44]

We are already ahead.

Gonzalez > Lopez

Bray, Majik > Kearns

Except Gonzalez didn't come over in the trade. True the trade opened up cash, but Lopez could have been dealt for a useful part and WK still could have gotten Gonzalez. That's like Dunn getting traded for Jaret Wright and then using the savings to sign a really good starter. Still could have got more for Dunn, but the net result is a push.

PS: I cannot wait for the board to get a whiff of Gonzo's OBP...you'll be able to turn that equation around by June.

[MartyFan]

For "The Trade" to work out...Majic needs to be a solid middle relief pitcher...not spectacular but average.

Bray needs to be a "GOOD" setup guy with the ability to come in and close.

The fact that Special K was ahead of the market on the off season insanity to bring more arms for Lopez who when he is focused can bat and has speed but cannot field the routine play to save his soul and Kearns who was not going to be anything special here because he "didn't get it" and didn't have the sense to "get it."

Same with Wags...

I still like "THE TRADE" at least at this point...we'll see how it works out.

[flyer85]

Honestly, the trade failed to accomplish it's main purpose which was to solidify the pen and get the team to the playoffs,

For any hope of redemption both must become very solid relievers, Bray a very good setup man or closer and Majewski a quality middle reliever who eats a lot of innings.

[RedsManRick]

I think you do have to consider money saved (and spent) due to freed up salary. While there's a theoretical ability for that money to have been spent anyways, the fact is that it wouldn't have been.

I'd say we need Bray to be a solid closer, Majewski to become a solid relief man, and for Thompson to become a major league something. Add in A-Gone and Stanton for their money and we did (possibly) fill a lot of holes. My bigger concern is that Kearns continues to improve over the next 2-3 years and turns in to an all-star.

[Johnny Footstool]

We are already ahead.

Gonzalez > Lopez

Bray, Majik > Kearns

Any facts to back it up that opinion?

Not to rehash the old arguments, but making pronouncements that Player A is better than Player B is pointless unless you can back it up with some evidence.