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    More Sporting News disrespect

    Got no problem basically with their top 8 or 9, but 10-15 left me scratching my head. Maybe Im just to much of a homer and I need to get outside the 275 loop more.


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    1. Cardinals

    1B Albert Pujols, 2B Adam Kennedy, SS David Eckstein, 3B Scott Rolen. Reserves: Aaron Miles, Scott Spiezio.

    There's no better pair of corner men than Pujols and Rolen. Kennedy and Eckstein don't have much pop, but they're dependable. Spiezio is dangerous off the bench.


    10. Padres

    1B Adrian Gonzalez, 2B Marcus Giles, SS Khalil Greene, 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff. Reserves: Geoff Blum, Todd Walker.

    Gonzalez is an emerging star. Giles had a disappointing 2006 with Atlanta. Greene's health and Kouzmanoff's defense are question marks. Russell Branyan is an option if Kouzmanoff falters.

    11. Dodgers

    1B Nomar Garciaparra, 2B Jeff Kent, SS Rafael Furcal, 3B Wilson Betemit. Reserves: James Loney, Ramon Martinez.

    Garciaparra and Furcal carried the offense last season. The club is looking for Kent to rebound from injuries and for Betemit to be more consistent.

    12. Rockies

    1B Todd Helton, 2B Kaz Matsui, SS Troy Tulowitzki, 3B Garrett Atkins. Reserves: Jeff Baker, Jamey Carroll.

    Atkins hit for average and power last season. Helton will try to return to form. Tulowitzki vs. Clint Barmes will be one of the hottest camp competitions.

    13. Reds

    1B Scott Hatteberg, 2B Brandon Phillips, SS Alex Gonzalez, 3B Edwin Encarnacion. Reserves: Jeff Conine, Jeff Keppinger.

    Gonzalez and Phillips could be a dynamic double-play duo. Hatteberg is steady. Encarnacion needs to improve his throwing. Conine will replace Hatteberg against tough lefthanders.

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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    Quote Originally Posted by icehole3 View Post
    Gonzalez and Phillips could be a dynamic double-play duo. Hatteberg is steady. Encarnacion needs to improve his throwing. Conine will replace Hatteberg against tough lefthanders.
    The genius, that is Sporting News. By the way Sporting News, Aaran Harang and Bronson Arroyo are a nice one two combo in the starting rotation but after that things go downhill.

    I wonder if someone has ever done a comparison of Pre Sports season predictions then compared the predictions to how it actually panned out?I'd be interested to know what magazine or analyst was spot on the most frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icehole3 View Post
    13. Reds

    1B Scott Hatteberg, 2B Brandon Phillips, SS Alex Gonzalez, 3B Edwin Encarnacion. Reserves: Jeff Conine, Jeff Keppinger.

    Gonzalez and Phillips could be a dynamic double-play duo. Hatteberg is steady. Encarnacion needs to improve his throwing. Conine will replace Hatteberg against tough lefthanders.
    I would agree that is relatively low. EdE is going to be a premier hitter at 3B this year and if his throwing gets just 50% better, he is gonna be a stud at the corner. Gonzo has to hit with his glove and BP is mediocre at both the plate and field (maybe a little better in the field). Hatte is nothing to write home about in either category and Conine sucks.

    If all they can say about EdE is he needs to improve his throwing, then they haven't seen him play. That would be like evaluating the Cards outfield and the only thing you say about Chris Duncan is he needs to work on his fielding, when the guy could hit 35-40 HR's one day.

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    #13 is probably about right. The Reds have got one of the worst hitting IFs in the NL. Gonzalez is a cipher and Hatteberg/Conine will be one of the most underpowered 1B combos around. Phillips is solid, but probably won't be spectacular. That leaves 24-year-old Edwin Encarnacion to pull the wagon. The Dodgers probably deserved a higher ranking. Houston at #6 was way too high. IMO, the Nats (#14) should be a lot higher. Nick Johnson, Felipe Lopez and Ryan Zimmerman form a pretty solid core. Granted Cristian Guzman is a walking out machine, but he can field as well as Gonzalez when he's healthy. It sounds like Johnson's broken leg is keeping that team's rating down. The Braves (#15) might be shaky on the right side, but Edgar Renteria and Chipper Jones form an established left side.
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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    These Sporting News lists are baffling at best. Ignore them.
    "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    Just for fun, we should do our own lists. In fact, I'm going to start a thread to do just that.
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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    It would seem this is a defense only ranking. That certainly makes their ranking of the Astros catching situation make a lot more sense. Given that, I think it's somewhat fair -- though I'd rank LA, Milwaukee, and SD lower.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    #13 is probably about right. The Reds have got one of the worst hitting IFs in the NL. Gonzalez is a cipher and Hatteberg/Conine will be one of the most underpowered 1B combos around. Phillips is solid, but probably won't be spectacular. That leaves 24-year-old Edwin Encarnacion to pull the wagon. The Dodgers probably deserved a higher ranking. Houston at #6 was way too high. IMO, the Nats (#14) should be a lot higher. Nick Johnson, Felipe Lopez and Ryan Zimmerman form a pretty solid core. Granted Cristian Guzman is a walking out machine, but he can field as well as Gonzalez when he's healthy. It sounds like Johnson's broken leg is keeping that team's rating down. The Braves (#15) might be shaky on the right side, but Edgar Renteria and Chipper Jones form an established left side.
    I agree, but I think #13 is optimistic. The Reds are in such a hole vs. the league at 1B, that the rest of the IF has a hard time recovering. Compare the Red's duo to Pujols, Berkman, Howard, Del Gado, Carlos Lee, Nick Johnson, Adam LaRoche, Adrian Gonzalez, Todd Helton, Prince Fielder, Nomar, Thorman/Wilson, Aurelia/Klesko, Jacobs, Connor Jackson. At the position the Reds have the least pop, the least upside and offer 2 players who are 1) most likely to regress (see Hatte's pattern in odd numbered years) or 2) have been in a steady decline since the turn of the millenium (Conine). Add in the likely below .300 OBP from Gonzalez and you have a deservedly low ranking.

    I'm actually surprised they are not last. Atlanta is better than the Reds at all but at 2B (and that is no sure thing), I think Nick Johnson's injury and the uncertainty of Lopez at 2nd artificially holds back the Nats. I think the Giants are held back by age, but I'd bet that the Reds will only be better than them at 3B in 2007.
    Last edited by mth123; 02-01-2007 at 12:18 AM.

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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    It would seem this is a defense only ranking. That certainly makes their ranking of the Astros catching situation make a lot more sense. Given that, I think it's somewhat fair -- though I'd rank LA, Milwaukee, and SD lower.
    It's not, read the Cards report. Although they don't mention Poo Holes' bat or Rolens, but they talk about Eckstein's and Kennedy. And I don't think they mean Spezio is dangerous with his glove off the bench.

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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    To further my point about the hole that the Reds are in at 1B, below is the ZIPS projected OPS for 2007 for the players in the NL who project to get significant time at 1B. Look at who 2 of the bottom 3 are.

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    Name            Team     OPS
    Pujols		St L	1.066
    Howard		Phi	1.024
    Berkman		Hou	0.972
     D. Lee		Chi	0.950
    Helton		Col	0.949
    Johnson		Was	0.896
    Fielder		Mil	0.871
    LaRoche		Pit	0.871
    Del Gado	NYM	0.855
    Gonzalez	SD	0.825
    Nomar		LA	0.823
    Wilson		Atl	0.822
    Clark		AZ	0.809
    Jackson		AZ	0.801
    Loney		LA	0.791
    Niekro		SF	0.791
    Jacobs		Fla	0.783
    Aurilia		SF	0.781
    T. Lee		Was	0.776
    Klesko		SF	0.775
    Hatte		Cin	0.758
    Thorman		Atl	0.738
    Conine		Cin	0.727

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    Re: More Sporting News disrespect

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    It's not, read the Cards report. Although they don't mention Poo Holes' bat or Rolens, but they talk about Eckstein's and Kennedy. And I don't think they mean Spezio is dangerous with his glove off the bench.
    It isn't defense only, but it is infield only. And as far as infield I don't think I'd place the Reds higher than any of the teams listed. Hatte/Conine has to be the worst 1b in the NL. I think BP will drop off from last years numbers.


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