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    Harang time-table

    This is supposed to be decided today correct? He should have his arbitration hearing scheduled today I believe, then we can have an official countdown to see if the Reds are idiots or not.

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    Re: Harang time-table

    too me, if Krivsky doesn't sign Harang to a long term contract before arbitration, he's worst than Jim Bowden

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    Re: Harang time-table

    Hearings are scheduled to start today and run through the 1st three weeks, but I don't see when Harang's hearing is scheduled.

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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDunn View Post
    too me, if Krivsky doesn't sign Harang to a long term contract before arbitration, he's worst than Jim Bowden
    Maybe Harang's agent doesn't want his client signed to a LTC. How would that be Wayne's fault?
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    Maybe Harang's agent doesn't want his client signed to a LTC. How would that be Wayne's fault?
    If that's the case, Krivsky should trade him now while his value is extremely high. Harang would bring back a king's ransom in prospects and cheap, ML-ready talent. The right deal could solidify the pitching staff for the next 6 years.
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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted View Post
    Maybe Harang's agent doesn't want his client signed to a LTC. How would that be Wayne's fault?
    Short of us hearing that Harang wants $25M/Yr or wants to move to a specific team, the Reds had better sign this guy or I am going to lose quite a bit of interest in this franchise.

    If they have a reasonable chance to sign this guy and then don't I am going to be very disappointed. If you won't sign Harang I have no idea who you will sign.

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    Re: Harang time-table

    I noticed this morning that the Phillies signed Brett Myers to a three year $25.75 Million deal. They seem close in service time (not exactly equal) and that's about what folks here have said Harang ought to sign for, maybe a slight bit more. I'm assuming Wayne is negotiating. We have to remember, even at these numbers, this is a seriously high amount of money. I think we can get this done.

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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    If that's the case, Krivsky should trade him now while his value is extremely high. Harang would bring back a king's ransom in prospects and cheap, ML-ready talent. The right deal could solidify the pitching staff for the next 6 years.
    Johnny, I would hate to lose him, but agree with you if he doesn' want to sign longterm

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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I noticed this morning that the Phillies signed Brett Myers to a three year $25.75 Million deal. They seem close in service time (not exactly equal) and that's about what folks here have said Harang ought to sign for, maybe a slight bit more. I'm assuming Wayne is negotiating. We have to remember, even at these numbers, this is a seriously high amount of money. I think we can get this done.
    Here is how Myers is broken down: 250k bonus; $5 in 2007, $8.5 in 08, $12 in 09

    I think that deal could kill it for the Reds. Say Harang makes 6 mil this year. Then what would he have to make the next two years in a 3 year deal?

    6 mil, 9.5, 14?
    6, 10, 15?

    With Harang's durability and continued improvement/success, he should be getting more than Myers in his deal. We could be looking at 3 yr/ 30 mil. Which I guess isn't terrible, but it is a lot for this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    Here is how Myers is broken down: 250k bonus; $5 in 2007, $8.5 in 08, $12 in 09

    I think that deal could kill it for the Reds. Say Harang makes 6 mil this year. Then what would he have to make the next two years in a 3 year deal?

    6 mil, 9.5, 14?
    6, 10, 15?

    With Harang's durability and continued improvement/success, he should be getting more than Myers in his deal. We could be looking at 3 yr/ 30 mil. Which I guess isn't terrible, but it is a lot for this team.
    I don't think those sort of numbers are deal breakers for the Reds. Many continue to suggest this team is chintzing on contracts, but I think they're looking to be judicious on deals. If the Reds can't do a deal like that (or near about), then as some have said, Bob C. needs to hang it up. I think it's doable, although we may structure it differently, particularly given the Milton and Griffey contracts this year.

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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I don't think those sort of numbers are deal breakers for the Reds. Many continue to suggest this team is chintzing on contracts, but I think they're looking to be judicious on deals. If the Reds can't do a deal like that (or near about), then as some have said, Bob C. needs to hang it up. I think it's doable, although we may structure it differently, particularly given the Milton and Griffey contracts this year.
    Maybe the Jr. contract will force us into a 4 year deal with a big pay day that 4th year (Jr.'s first year off payroll I believe.)

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    Re: Harang time-table

    I'd go 6M in 2007, 8.5M in 2008, 10.5 in 2009 and hold a 12M mutual option for 2010 at 12.5M.

    That's 3 yr / 25M as well. If the option is picked up that's 4 yr / 37M.
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    Re: Harang time-table

    Harang should get Milty's money (and maybe a little more) when Eric is off the books after this year. Give him his 6 (or whatever he asked for in arb.) this year, then around ten the next two years. Anywhere between 3/25 and 3/30 would be a steal for the Reds. He could get a lot more.
    Last edited by CaiGuy; 02-02-2007 at 12:31 PM.

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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by bounty37h View Post
    Johnny, I would hate to lose him, but agree with you if he doesn' want to sign longterm
    Me, too. I think Harang is the type of pitcher you break the bank to sign. But if he doesn't want to be in Cincinnati long-term, he's incredibly valuable as a trade commodity.
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    Re: Harang time-table

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    Maybe the Jr. contract will force us into a 4 year deal with a big pay day that 4th year (Jr.'s first year off payroll I believe.)
    Junior only has two more years on his contract (this year and next), plus a club option in '09 ($16.5 Million), which I don't think the club will exercise ($4M buyout).


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