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    More car commercials!!!
    Be sure to look for these upcoming Bronson Arroyo sponsorship deals:

    “Hi ladies, I’m Bronson Arroyo. I’m known for throwing curves on the mound, but did you know I also go to Curves when I’m looking to score with hot, fitness-minded consenting adults?”

    “Hi, I’m Bronson Arroyo, and people say I throw like Gibson. But that doesn’t mean I’d ever throw my Gibson guitar, from Buddy Roger’s Music.”

    “Hi, I’m Bronson Arroyo, and if you have a 25-inch waist and a 53-inch inseam, like I do, then you know how hard it is to buy business casual pants that look great right out of the dryer. Fortunately Gentry has men’s Docker’s for 60 percent off through Friday.”

    “When my golden mane flows seductively into my eyes just a little too much, thank goodness there’s a Supercuts nearby. Hi, I’m Bronson Arroyo.”

    “Hi, I’m Eric Milton.” “And I’m Bronson Arroyo.” “The only thing that clears a yard faster than my slider…” “…is my Cub Cadet mower/mulcher.

    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Y'all might just be kidding around about Arroyo's marketability and the Reds' willingness to pimp him out.... but to be deadly serious, those are the things that helped me lose the *very* tiny nagging notion I had earlier this afternoon when I heard the news and thought that the money for Arroyo was a little high given that he's 2 years older than Harang and has half as much proven big league success as a starter.

    That might still end up being the case in terms of on-field value; but on the books and in the accounting ledgers, methinks Bronson will turn this deal into a steal for the Reds.

    Let's face it, if there're two things chicks dig more than the long ball, they are (a) delicate hippie arteests who front bands and (b) sexually-non-threatening post-queer-eye-make-over tools. I don't know how or why, but Arroyo has always struck me as kind of the perfect prototype if anyone wanted to experiment with a new class of "Metrosexual Hippies." He's money on that front. And as a dude? I may make my jokes about his appearance or how his weak band rocks significantly less than even Kelly fricking Clarkson, but I also don't give a crap as long as he's posting All-Star caliber numbers for my favorite team. I may even take a shine to the guy if it turns out he keeps missing All-Star Week functions (as he did in '06) because he actually *does* have some sac and a taste for late night fun, and has to leave it to David Ortiz to make excuses for why he's nowhere to be seen at the crack of noon for some lame press conference.

    I digress. Point is: this guy is gonna move merchandise in a big way for the Reds.

    Throw in the fact that as the Reds get good and (hopefully) start attracting some national attention, we're losing Junior, and Dunn may not be long for this world, so we'll be short one (1) Team Identity... if we accept that we'll be putting a new easily-marketable "face" on this team in the next 2 years, you could do a lot worse than Bronson. There are things he's gonna bring to the franchise for the next four years that aren't tied directly to ERA or WHIP or VORP or MEEPS or MOOPS or PECOTA or whatever else the stat wonks like to point to.

    In simplest terms, Arroyo's a rock star, and it's got almost zero to do with him being in a band. It cannot hurt to have a guy like this around for the long haul.



    PS: Before any afformentioned stat wonks say "Griffey probably sells enough merch to not be a total Financial Black Hole for the team, but that's not helping us win any ballgames," let me just qualify my thesis by saying that "On this happy day, let's operate under the assumption that Bronson Arroyo's body will not freakishly turn into Waterford Crystal almost immediately upon signing of a long term deal with the Redlegs." Even as a #3 Starter by 2009 and 2010, Arroyo should end up earning every penny of this contract, given the Big Bag o' Intangibles he brings with him.
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    "Metrosexual Hippies."

    Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Serafini View Post
    I have to go on one side rant - Dan Davis from ESPN Radio is an idiot. I'm getting so sick of him ripping this every 20 minute update. It's constantly "The Reds are driving up the price of pitchers for spending this on 14-11 Bronson Arroyo". Of course it seems like they're driving up the price when you get the deal wrong every single update! Guess what Dan, it's not 4 years for $45 million, you may want to actually look it up before you report it. Between the negative swipes (Davis is a self-admitted Red Sox die hard, which may explain some bitterness) and the sloppy reporting in general (this is far from the first time he's gotten a fact wrong) it's annoying having to listen to this all day. But if that's my biggest complaint on the deal I guess it's a good day.
    To be fair, the Arroyo contract is much riskier than Harang's. While Harang isn't likely to get any better than he is now, it's reasonable to expect him to maintain his current performance throughout the duration of his extension which would make the contract a good value. Arroyo on the other hand had an ERA in '06 that exceeded his true performance by about .60 runs as measured by John Burnson's simERA (metric based upon taking a guy's K%, BB%, and GB% simulated over 5000 times to yield a distribution of most likely ERAs and seeing where his true ERA fell on the distribution). Given his exceptionally high strand rate of '06 isn't likely to be repeated and he may not get the benefit of pitching against 4 of the worst 8 offenses in the majors again in '07, its very likely that he wont have a sub-4 ERA this season. Then consider that he is projected to be a #4 at best during his big payout years (ERA=4.70), and it's not as likely that Arroyo's contact will be as good a value as Harang's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong View Post
    I think some of the giddiness (at least from me) is that with these 2 moves the window that Homer needs to be come effective in has widened considerably. Next off-season we might have very well been worried about heading into the season with a huge unknown price-tag coming to Harang in arbitration as well as the ramifications of trying to sign him long-term and the prospect of losing Arroyo after the season (without a return).

    Now we have what looks to be a pretty solid head of the rotation guy in Harang and a pretty viable #2/3 guy in Arroyo for the next 4 years. That gives Homer this season to get his feet wet, next season to work on his stuff (with Harang and Arroyo to mentor him) and 2009/2010 for us to have a nice 1-2-3 combo.

    Certainly any of the 3 could get hurt, regress, or not develop and I'm not counting all my chickens just yet. But at least we have a viable plan that on paper seems to have us headed in the right direction.

    Alot can happen over the next 2-3 years, but it gives us a nice foundation to build on.

    GL
    This pretty much says everything that I think as well.

    I have to admit these two signings have improved my outlook about the Reds and the current regime quite a bit. I still hate the 2007 Bullpen and 1B platoon, but the future looks to have a chance and IMO that seemed to be pretty dim last weekend.

    Kudos to WK and BCast for giving the reds a starting point toward contention for the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    While Harang isn't likely to get any better than he is now, it's reasonable to expect him to maintain his current performance throughout the duration of his extension which would make the contract a good value.
    I can actually see Harang progressing to a 3.2 -3.4 range ERA type pitcher.
    I am not saying he will be in the low 2's but i can definitely see him taking it lower than last years and holding in that range.

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    I really really like this move, but I do have one concern, not necessarily with this signing, but with our future rotation.

    Homer Bailey
    Aaron Harang
    Bronson Arroyo
    Johnny Cueto

    Anyone see anything about this?

    They're all righties. We would need a good lefty to put into the mix. Could it be Wood? Can we live with one lefty in the rotation?
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    Forgive me for not reading this thread in it's entirety, but I was slightly bothered by Bronson's press conference (you can watch it on Reds.com). Let me first say that I am excited about the extension and I do think it was not only a smart move, but one that shouldn't be passed up.

    Anyway, when they gave Bronson mic and the reporter asked him a great question, how he was very comfortable in Boston and liked it there and to come here into this situation, what changed his mind...I'm just sort of paraphrasing. Anyway, I would've really liked for his answer to focue more on the team or the city or something of that sort and instead, he mentioned how it would be hard to pass up that much in guaranteed money when it could make him set for life. I don't know, I'm not knocking the guy for being honest, but it sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Not that he feels that way, but that he actually said it. Anyone else notice that?

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    Does he have a Chloe?
    He might...but what you said earlier got me to thinking. Suppose he might shoot John Allen for the good of the team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Forgive me for not reading this thread in it's entirety, but I was slightly bothered by Bronson's press conference (you can watch it on Reds.com). Let me first say that I am excited about the extension and I do think it was not only a smart move, but one that shouldn't be passed up.

    Anyway, when they gave Bronson mic and the reporter asked him a great question, how he was very comfortable in Boston and liked it there and to come here into this situation, what changed his mind...I'm just sort of paraphrasing. Anyway, I would've really liked for his answer to focue more on the team or the city or something of that sort and instead, he mentioned how it would be hard to pass up that much in guaranteed money when it could make him set for life. I don't know, I'm not knocking the guy for being honest, but it sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Not that he feels that way, but that he actually said it. Anyone else notice that?
    You might as well get used to that. He doesn't think before he speaks, he just opens his mouth and honest reactions pop out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11larkin11 View Post
    Homer Bailey
    Aaron Harang
    Bronson Arroyo
    Johnny Cueto

    Anyone see anything about this?
    You mean other than the fact that it's just penciling in a guy who hasn't pitched an inning over A ball into the #4 slot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    You might as well get used to that. He doesn't think before he speaks, he just opens his mouth and honest reactions pop out.

    Wow, imagine that.

    A guy who simply tells the truth and doesn't spin or posture when asked a question.

    I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    Wow, imagine that.

    A guy who simply tells the truth and doesn't spin or posture when asked a question.

    I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Anyway, when they gave Bronson mic and the reporter asked him a great question, how he was very comfortable in Boston and liked it there and to come here into this situation, what changed his mind...I'm just sort of paraphrasing. Anyway, I would've really liked for his answer to focue more on the team or the city or something of that sort and instead, he mentioned how it would be hard to pass up that much in guaranteed money when it could make him set for life. I don't know, I'm not knocking the guy for being honest, but it sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Not that he feels that way, but that he actually said it. Anyone else notice that?
    Yep, I noticed it. And don't care.

    He signed an extension with the Reds. I don't care if he has a shirne to Boston in his bedroom. As long as he is pitching well, and not creating a problem in the clubhouse for the Reds he can long for where ever his heart desires.

    And I don't care that he mentioned the money. The fact is the Reds had to caugh up some benjermins if they wanted to keep him in Cincy. And they did so now, instead of waiting till later when it's (likely) more expensive. And that he's honest about it is refreshing. He's human, of course he's going to go where the money is. Had he babbled on about his love for Cincinnati and how he's always wanted to pitch here would anybody have believed it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    He signed an extension with the Reds. I don't care if he has a shirne to Boston in his bedroom. As long as he is pitching well, and not creating a problem in the clubhouse for the Reds he can long for where ever his heart desires.
    Agreed 100%, as long as he doesn't cause a problem in the clubhouse at some point.

    What's so great about Boston anyway? I'll take Montgomery Inn ribs over baked beans any day.


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