For me, these signings are the final nail in the coffin of that old Lindner mentality this board can't let go of. You know, the one that claims, "this cheap team is too cheap to compete because it's cheap."
Two words that abruptly stopped coming out of the front office once Castellini took over are "small" and "market." He stated last year that there was enough money to bump the payroll at the deadline if need be, which the previous regime would never have contemplated. And this offseason he's added, what, $15 million to the payroll? He was perfectly content to eat the contracts of people like Womack, White, Hammond, and Williams without so much as a comment, and then quietly spent millions on LaRue's going away card. No one from the front office opined that two $50,000 Rule 5 picks were "big investments," which certainly would have been the case a few years ago. Nearly every draft pick got signed without any fuss at all. And now we have a good, young core locked up for years to come.
If nothing else, these signings signal that Bob is a man of his word, and that the days of crying poor are gone. We can compete. Or, if we can't, the reason has nothing to do with money.
Last edited by Redsland; 02-08-2007 at 06:47 PM.
Makes all the routine posts.
Platoon partner with Hatte until Votto takes over full time.
Defensive replacement who has a knack for getting big hits.
Rule 5 pick, how do you know he will be on the roster all year long. What if he is and suceeds?
Oh you like LaRue but don't get Castro? LaRue sucked last year and had a bad attitude.
See my post about prospects. How do you know his suck?
Boo ground pitchers. It's his fault he had 1 SP when he came here?
Yes good for some longer term stability around these parts for once.
I hope part of his contract stipulated that he could no longer force his bad cover band/music onto the general public from here on out within the greater Cincinnati area. That would just be icing.
Plus, there's a very real PR aspect to these two moves (locking in Harang, locking in Arroyo) -- its a signal to the fans that the team is serious about competing in the near future and a signal to players that Cincinnati takes care of it's own. It sends a message, to both free agents and players in the Reds system, that Cincinnati is playing to win and will spend the money to reward players who contribute to building a winning club. No more stories about trades for guys like Scott Rolen being nixed because the finances didn't work. These are the kinds of moves that change attitudes about franchises; they're the kinds of moves that I expect out of St. Louis, as opposed to the previous regimes that played straight of the Pittsburgh Pirates playbook.
Don't underestimate that aspect of this move either.
24 Years and Counting...
Drop off is probable, Arroyo rocked last year his Runs Saved Above Average is tied for 7th best in modern Reds history, if he drops to 1/2 that he'll have be where Harang was this year in RSAA.While it's not a popular opinion at the moment, I agree with this to a point. I think it's highly unlikely that Arroyo repeats his 2006 numbers and settles in at about leage average starter material for the remainder of his stay with the Reds,
Code:CINCINNATI REDS SEASON MODERN (1900-) GAMES STARTED >= 25 RSAA YEAR RSAA GS 1 Dolf Luque 1923 66 37 2 Bucky Walters 1939 58 36 3 Noodles Hahn 1902 47 36 4 Dolf Luque 1925 45 36 5 Jose Rijo 1993 44 36 6 Bucky Walters 1940 42 36 T7 Ewell Blackwell 1950 41 32 T7 Bronson Arroyo 2006 41 35 T9 Bob Purkey 1962 37 37 T9 Ewell Blackwell 1947 37 33 T9 Noodles Hahn 1904 37 34
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~ Mark Twain
I don't dispute that this type of deal can change attitudes about a franchise, but the fastest way to do that is to simply win. This isn't a move that made the Reds better as a team. Arroyo was going to be here for two more years at reasonable numbers and he couldn't really do anything about that. To me, spending $25 million on a guy who at the end of the deal likely won't be much more than a #4 starter is a high price to merely change perceptions.Plus, there's a very real PR aspect to these two moves (locking in Harang, locking in Arroyo) -- its a signal to the fans that the team is serious about competing in the near future and a signal to players that Cincinnati takes care of it's own. It sends a message, to both free agents and players in the Reds system, that Cincinnati is playing to win and will spend the money to reward players who contribute to building a winning club. No more stories about trades for guys like Scott Rolen being nixed because the finances didn't work. These are the kinds of moves that change attitudes about franchises; they're the kinds of moves that I expect out of St. Louis, as opposed to the previous regimes that played straight of the Pittsburgh Pirates playbook.
"It's still a long way to the top if we want to rock'n'roll, but at least they dumped the tuba player."
I really don't see how anything wrong with this move whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact. But I always thought Arroyo had a higher ceiling than he was showing in Pittsburgh and, at times, in Boston. I expect him to come down slightly from last year, but I'm much more in the camp that last year was more indicative of the pitcher he actually is than 2005.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
I can understand why some would want to trade Arroyo after his "career season" last year. It may have been the smart thing to do. It may have been what Billy Beane would have done. Bt I don't think it would have been a good idea. We may disagree about the manager, the GM, the owner, Adam Dunn, Marty, whatever. But I think we can all agree that the Reds Achilles Heel for quite some time has been the lack of quality starting pitching. They haven't been able to develop it, trade for it or sign it on a consistant basis. So why trade a quality starting pitcher? You may be able to get prospects for Arroyo but they better be pitching prospects. And even if they are pitching prospects, there's no guarantee they will be as good as Arroyo. Brandon Claussen was Exhibit A. Now if the Reds had been able to develop young starting pitching on a consistant basis, then I might agree that trading him would be a good idea. If you get rid of Arroyo, you only have one quality starter. Now I'm no math genius but I think two quality starters are much better than one and some maybes.
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I agree that you can't expect the whole checklist ticked off in a single year, but by the same token you can't expect to hit a bullseye everytime you address the checklist. Krivsky's collected old stopgaps (if that) in the pen rather than seek out more guys who might fit that Detroit-style mold or who might grow into that #3 starter role.
Desire beyond reason to build that sort of bullpen probably is the explanation for The Trade, but that gets us back to strategic planning. Krivsky didn't have the capital (in terms of talent) to send like he did on Bray and Majewski. Krivsky missed the bullseye (Bray's got upside, but Majewski's your classic pitch-to-contact reliever) and it cost him the players who were his best bets to make a chop-chop move for anything on the shopping list.
How does he turn what he's got into what he needs? What are his options if everything doesn't go absolutely right? Because I can guarantee you many things will go wrong.
I think it's good that Krivsky's addressed the team keystone defense and the pitching (though he's still got a looooong way to go). Yet those are things that any sensible GM would have addressed. They were/are glaring needs. They had/have to be dealt with.
What I don't see from Krivsky is the deeper stuff. He's dealing with the roster, not swinging the organization. He probably figures that if he gets the first one relatively right, he'll have time to accomplish the second. That's certainly the way the industry tends to operate. The problem with it is, if the roster fails him then he doesn't have the organization to fall back on.
Raisel Ghul, the Demon's Head
Make that a thing.