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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Breaking news: BRONSON SAID NICE THINGS ABOUT CINCINNATI. He says he likes it as well as any city in which he's played.

    http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin

    (note: this is tongue-in-cheek, as I've never heard Arroyo say anything bad about Cincinnati, except that no one goes to games, and he can beat people with a stick about that for all I care.)
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    And this offseason he's added, what, $15 million to the payroll?
    Actually payroll is sitting at about $70M. That means the Reds added roughly $9M over where it was last summer. But that's a bit misleading because roughly $6M that increase went to raises to players already under contract so it wasn't a sign of the coffers being opened up to go get additional FAs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    If nothing else, these signings signal that Bob is a man of his word, and that the days of crying poor are gone. We can compete. Or, if we can't, the reason has nothing to do with money.
    These signings do not signify that there will be payroll increases in the future. The two extensions do not add payroll over the next two seasons.

    To understand why someone might suggest this, consider the ledger sheet for the years where Harang and Arroyo get their raises.

    Below are the big contractual obligations that will come off of the books or could be gone by not picking up options:

    after '07: Milton's $9M is no more;

    before/during '08: Dunn's $13.5M could vaporize if the reds either trade him or don't pick up his option (given how they've shopped him, a rebound year might get them a trade partner making the option decision a moot one);

    before '09: Griffey's $16.5M will absolutely be bought out for $4M if he hasn't already retired. If Griffey collapses this year, his $12.5M in '08 might disappear due to retirement.

    Harang's and Arroyo's extensions are essentially paid for by money going off of the books.

    The extensions were pretty much no brainers (that's a good thing....it shows in the very least they are looking ahead and trying to anticipating markets) that are making nice postcards to potential season ticket holders. That being said, they indicate nothing about the potential for future payroll increases.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Now if the Reds had been able to develop young starting pitching on a consistant basis, then I might agree that trading him would be a good idea. If you get rid of Arroyo, you only have one quality starter. Now I'm no math genius but I think two quality starters are much better than one and some maybes.

    My feelin's as well. Supply and demand issue at this point.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Ok, I just watched the press conference video. My review:

    1. I think Wayne Krivsky and Arroyo speak the same language. They are both straightforward, honest dudes who appreciate other straightforward, honest dudes. Very nice. Wayne is a lot grumpier than Arroyo though.

    2. Where did Krivsky get his nifty Reds lapel pin?

    3. For all of his rock star preening, when you get right down to it, Bronson Arroyo really just looks like a dude from the hills of Kentucky. It wouldn't kill him to stop listening to Stone Temple Pilots and pick up a couple of My Morning Jacket and Green Genes albums. Perhaps I will send him a Byrds record or something. He's got at least four years to get this kind of stuff down now.

    I think maybe I should go, like, find something to do.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    What's wrong with Stone Temple Pilots?

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    Ok, I just watched the press conference video. My review:

    1. I think Wayne Krivsky and Arroyo speak the same language. They are both straightforward, honest dudes who appreciate other straightforward, honest dudes. Very nice. Wayne is a lot grumpier than Arroyo though.

    2. Where did Krivsky get his nifty Reds lapel pin?

    3. For all of his rock star preening, when you get right down to it, Bronson Arroyo really just looks like a dude from the hills of Kentucky. It wouldn't kill him to stop listening to Stone Temple Pilots and pick up a couple of My Morning Jacket and Green Genes albums. Perhaps I will send him a Byrds record or something. He's got at least four years to get this kind of stuff down now.

    I think maybe I should go, like, find something to do.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    What's wrong with Stone Temple Pilots?
    No banjos or washboards....
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    What's wrong with Stone Temple Pilots?
    you honestly have to ask?

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    Nope. Maybe it was all the people reading into those comments that he wanted out of Cincy who were full of hot air.

    Why on earth would anyone be surprised that Bronson had a great time in Boston? I'd be shocked beyond belief if he didn't always have a smile on his face whenever thinking about the ride he had there.
    Exactly. Ever hear of any ex-Reds who talked fondly of their days in Cincy and that they hated to leave there due to the friendships and bonds they had made there? I can name a few.

    A solid move by the Reds/Krivsky.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    you honestly have to ask?

    Yeah, he's a little....uh....odd.


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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    This is a wee bit risky move for WK. I'm not 100% sold on Bronson. More like 85%.

    But I'm not complaining. I'd rather throw the money at Arroyo rather than Meche or Marquis.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Yeah, he's a little....uh....odd.

    name me a rock star who isn't (and I've seen a whole lot worse... and so have you).
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    I'm shocked as I didn't see this one coming. Good move, Wayne.

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    I love the sound of that.
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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone View Post
    name me a rock star who isn't (and I've seen a whole lot worse... and so have you).
    Yes I have.

    They're rock stars.....they can do whatever they want.

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    Re: Bronson Arroyo agrees to two-year contract extension

    I should clarify that there is NOTHING wrong with Scott Weiland, apart from the alleged wife-beating and all that. I just think that Bronson is truly more Kentucky hilltop than Scott Weiland. Maybe the Reds are just helping him reach his potential as a human being. I believe in these things.

    Sorry to derail the thread...great signing. A+++.
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