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    Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...?event_id=2782

    The above link is to an ESPN poll asking for your ideal rotation. Of course, the obvious choices are there (Santana, Halladay, etc), but what struck me as odd was who was not listed. AARON HARANG!!! How can media outlets as "credible" as ESPN include pitchers like Kei Igawa, Derek Lowe, Jeff Suppan and Chris Young in a poll about baseball's best starters while leaving one of the NL's best off the list?

    FWIW, Arroyo made the list . . .

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    I went with

    Santana
    Clemens
    Webb
    Oswalt
    Zambrano

    Hard to pick though. Hmm... actually I would probably go with Halladay over Clemens if considering the future was involved... Maybe Chris Young, or Justin Verlander might be considered... Oh, and there is also Pedro. Forgot about him. Jeez, too tough to decide.

    Harang should be on the list though, whats up with that? (wouldn't have picked him though)

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Santana
    Peavy
    Webb
    Oswalt
    King Felix
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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Santana
    Oswalt
    Halladay
    Webb
    Clemens
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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Santana
    Oswalt
    Halladay
    Webb
    Pedro
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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Santana
    Halladay
    Oswalt (especially if he's pitching against the Reds)
    Webb
    Verlander

    I probably wouldn't have included Harang in my top 5 either, but it's time that he starts getting some credit.

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Santana
    Halladay
    Oswalt
    Carpenter
    Webb

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Yeah with some of the names on that list it is ridiculous to not throw Harang out there for consideration. He wouldn't have made my top 5 either but to not put his name on the board for consideration is crazy. I'll bet if Arroyo never would have played in Beantown he wouldn't have been on there either.

    For the record I went with:

    Santana
    Halladay
    Oswalt
    Carpenter
    Peavy
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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    A modest five..
    Santana
    Oswalt
    Webb
    Zambrano
    Peavy
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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Mine were...

    Santana
    Verlander
    Sabathia
    Bonderman
    and as a homer...Arroyo
    Let's make some noise!

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    If Harang played for a team on either coast, he'd be at the top of their list.

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    The bigger omission: Ben Sheets.

    Yes, he's had some injury issues the last two years. But...

    Look at his K/9.
    Look at his K/BB.

    In my top 5? No, only because of the injuries.

    I went:

    Johan
    Carpenter
    Oswalt
    Halladay
    Webb

    Lots of strikeouts Lots of groundballs.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Sheets is a bad omission but leaving out the guy who led the NL in wins and Ks last year is a total slap in the face to the Reds. You lose all credibility when you have a poll like this without Harang. Not saying he'd be in my 5 but he needed to be a choice to make the poll unbiased.

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by UC_Ken View Post
    Sheets is a bad omission but leaving out the guy who led the NL in wins and Ks last year is a total slap in the face to the Reds. You lose all credibility when you have a poll like this without Harang. Not saying he'd be in my 5 but he needed to be a choice to make the poll unbiased.
    At least Kei Igawa made the list. ESPN is simply a marketing machine with very little actual value in terms of presenting sports in an informative and insightful way. I don't even go there for anything other than some stats and the occasional page 2 article anymore.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Where's Harang? ESPN Poll

    Oswalt
    Halladay
    Carpenter
    Zambrano
    Santana

    Age will eventually catch up to him, if you go career he is on it period.
    Age may have already caught up with Randy Johnson but ditto Clemens.'

    If Pedro is healthy he could not be left off either, might be the most dominate pitcher of all of all of them - at least for a couple of years.

    I am not a bif Webb fan and think it was a trravesty that he won the CYoung last year. But that is just my 2 cents worth


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