http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...?event_id=2782
The above link is to an ESPN poll asking for your ideal rotation. Of course, the obvious choices are there (Santana, Halladay, etc), but what struck me as odd was who was not listed. AARON HARANG!!! How can media outlets as "credible" as ESPN include pitchers like Kei Igawa, Derek Lowe, Jeff Suppan and Chris Young in a poll about baseball's best starters while leaving one of the NL's best off the list?
FWIW, Arroyo made the list . . .
I went with
Santana
Clemens
Webb
Oswalt
Zambrano
Hard to pick though. Hmm... actually I would probably go with Halladay over Clemens if considering the future was involved... Maybe Chris Young, or Justin Verlander might be considered... Oh, and there is also Pedro. Forgot about him. Jeez, too tough to decide.
Harang should be on the list though, whats up with that? (wouldn't have picked him though)
Santana
Peavy
Webb
Oswalt
King Felix
Santana
Oswalt
Halladay
Webb
Clemens
When all is said and done more is said than done.
Santana
Oswalt
Halladay
Webb
Pedro
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
- - Rowdy Roddy Piper
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man"
- - Fletch
Santana
Halladay
Oswalt (especially if he's pitching against the Reds)
Webb
Verlander
I probably wouldn't have included Harang in my top 5 either, but it's time that he starts getting some credit.
Santana
Halladay
Oswalt
Carpenter
Webb
Yeah with some of the names on that list it is ridiculous to not throw Harang out there for consideration. He wouldn't have made my top 5 either but to not put his name on the board for consideration is crazy. I'll bet if Arroyo never would have played in Beantown he wouldn't have been on there either.
For the record I went with:
Santana
Halladay
Oswalt
Carpenter
Peavy
Last edited by Jaycint; 02-12-2007 at 02:00 PM.
A modest five..
Santana
Oswalt
Webb
Zambrano
Peavy
Somebody's gotta win and somebody's gotta lose and I believe in letting the other guy lose.
-Pete Rose
Mine were...
Santana
Verlander
Sabathia
Bonderman
and as a homer...Arroyo
Let's make some noise!
If Harang played for a team on either coast, he'd be at the top of their list.
The bigger omission: Ben Sheets.
Yes, he's had some injury issues the last two years. But...
Look at his K/9.
Look at his K/BB.
In my top 5? No, only because of the injuries.
I went:
Johan
Carpenter
Oswalt
Halladay
Webb
Lots of strikeouts Lots of groundballs.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Sheets is a bad omission but leaving out the guy who led the NL in wins and Ks last year is a total slap in the face to the Reds. You lose all credibility when you have a poll like this without Harang. Not saying he'd be in my 5 but he needed to be a choice to make the poll unbiased.
At least Kei Igawa made the list. ESPN is simply a marketing machine with very little actual value in terms of presenting sports in an informative and insightful way. I don't even go there for anything other than some stats and the occasional page 2 article anymore.Originally Posted by UC_Ken
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Oswalt
Halladay
Carpenter
Zambrano
Santana
Age will eventually catch up to him, if you go career he is on it period.
Age may have already caught up with Randy Johnson but ditto Clemens.'
If Pedro is healthy he could not be left off either, might be the most dominate pitcher of all of all of them - at least for a couple of years.
I am not a bif Webb fan and think it was a trravesty that he won the CYoung last year. But that is just my 2 cents worth
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