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    Cubs Demise Already Begun

    The Cubs are already in trouble. Carlos Zambrano is putting pressure on the Cubbies for a LTC worth some major coin, testing the limits of Hendy's medical condition. See http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...e=MLBHeadlines. I can already see this becoming a distraction and causing some clubhouse turmoil. Gotta love how he refers to himself in the third person.


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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    I saw the subject title and thought they just reported to spring training.
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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    Funny, I thought their demise began in 1876.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justincredible View Post
    Funny, I thought their demise began in 1876.
    Maybe I should have titled this post "Cubs Demise Continues"

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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    I can't believe Zambrano has already thrown so many pitches at the age of 25. That seems like a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    I can't believe Zambrano has already thrown so many pitches at the age of 25. That seems like a bad thing.
    Could be a good thing. Best-of-their-generation types can do that. Obviously we've got no way of knowing whether that will be Zambrano. He's got the stuff and possibly the arm to do it, but I figure that doughy body of his will betray him.

    But, as a general rule, I like pitchers who can carry a heavy workload. It's the guys who can't who worry me more.

    justincredible, to be fair the Cubs slide didn't really start until 1909 and the franchise didn't collapse until 1940 (25 of 31 seasons from 1909-1939 were winning affairs and the club won six pennants, 48 of 67 seasons from 1940-2006 have been losing affairs with only one pennant -- in the war-depleted league of 1945 -- to show for their paltry efforts). Just last year they eclipsed the Phillies' 97-season championship-free streak.

    After them the longest streaks belong to:

    Cleveland Indians - 58 seasons
    San Francisco/New York Giants - 52 seasons
    Texas Rangers/Washington Senators - 46 seasons
    Houston Astros/Colt 45s - 45 seasons

    For a field pick, you've got three of the four members of the class of 1969 -- San Diego, Milwaukee/Seattle, Washington/Montreal -- none of whom has won a championship in 38 seasons. If not for Don Denkinger's infamous call in the 1985 World Series, the Royals would be there with them.

    Other notable championship-free streaks in baseball history:

    Chicago White Sox - 87 seasons (1918-2004)
    Boston Red Sox - 85 seasons (1919-2003)
    Baltimore Orioles/St. Louis Browns/Milwaukee Brewers - 65 seasons (1901-1965)
    Minnesota Twins/Washington Senators - 63 seasons (1925-1986)
    Brooklyn Dodgers/Robins - 52 seasons (1902-1953)

    The Phillies' 97-season streak went from 1883-1979. Actually, it's surprising more wasn't made of the Cubs setting the new standard.
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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    but I figure that doughy body of his will betray him.
    Unless his manager betrays his arm first


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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    Gotta love anybody who refers to themselves in third person...haha....wow...he's a crazy man!

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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    I was thinking Alfonso got hurt and would be out all season when I saw this thread.

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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    Zambrono is a good pitcher, not a great pitcher. He also has the mental game of about a 5 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Zambrono is a good pitcher, not a great pitcher. He also has the mental game of about a 5 year old.
    Last 4 season he's easily in the top 8 in MLB, and he' s 4th in that span in batters faced... so that could bite him in the butt down the line.
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    5    Carlos Zambrano             123     8.03     3.93     3620     1.19    861     
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    Re: Cubs Demise Already Begun

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Zambrono is a good pitcher, not a great pitcher. He also has the mental game of about a 5 year old.

    He does seem to get easily rattled. Was it last year or the year before when he tried to pick our pitcher off 3rd? I think it was Milton. He ended up throwing it away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    He does seem to get easily rattled. Was it last year or the year before when he tried to pick our pitcher off 3rd? I think it was Milton. He ended up throwing it away.
    He also breaks a bat about every third game.
    There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    The Cubs are already in trouble. Carlos Zambrano is putting pressure on the Cubbies for a LTC worth some major coin, testing the limits of Hendy's medical condition. See http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/s...e=MLBHeadlines. I can already see this becoming a distraction and causing some clubhouse turmoil. Gotta love how he refers to himself in the third person.
    I think Carlos Zambrano is a A+++ pitcher.

    and with that being said, if I was the cubs owner, I would trade him to Kansas City!

    A player demanding a big contract before spring training or else???

    "I would be like ok, guess what? Pack you bags for KC LOL@ u Z!" I said as the Cubs owner.

    He may deserve a big contract but, demanding it and putting it in the press is going too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    He also breaks a bat about every third game.

    His own?
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