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    Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

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    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Major League Baseball has imposed a first set of rule changes since 1996 to address certain situations affecting play and issue guidelines governing official scoring decisions.

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    Rules governing penalties for pitchers applying foreign substances to the ball, catches made by players approaching the dugout or stands and the suspension of games that are tied after five innings were among 25 amended by the nine-member Playing Rules Committee effective for the 2007 season on Friday.

    Pitchers found to apply a foreign substance onto the ball will face immediate ejection and an automatic suspension. Previously an umpire would declare a pitch a ball, warn the pitcher and announce the violation.

    The new punishment brings the rule more in line with the automatic 10-game suspension levied on any player found to have defaced the ball by rubbing it with soil, rosin, sandpaper or other such foreign substance.

    Fielders will not be allowed to step into a dugout to catch a foul ball. They will be allowed to reach in but must have at least one foot on or over the playing surface.

    Should they fall into either a dugout or into the stands after making a legal catch, all baserunners will be allowed to advance one base.

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    Games suspended with the score tied in the bottom of the fifth inning or later had previously been declared a tie game, to be replayed in its entirety, though player statistics from the tie were counted.

    That rule was changed so that a tied regulation game that is stopped will be resumed before the next scheduled game between the same two clubs on the same grounds.

    If no more games remain scheduled between the teams at the original club's home park, the game would be resumed at the visitor's park.

    Only if no scheduled games remain between the clubs would the game be called a tie, in which case it would be replayed in its entirety only if necessary to affect a playoff spot.

    "A number of issues about the playing rules, some more technical in nature than others, had accumulated among umpires, clubs, players and Major League Baseball for some time," San Diego Padres CEO Sandy Alderson, who chaired the rules committee, said in a statement.

    "The Playing Rules Committee hopes that these amendments will serve to clarify these issues and, by doing so, benefit all who play and umpire the game at all levels."

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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    Quote Originally Posted by 4256 Hits View Post
    Fielders will not be allowed to step into a dugout to catch a foul ball. They will be allowed to reach in but must have at least one foot on or over the playing surface.

    Should they fall into either a dugout or into the stands after making a legal catch, all baserunners will be allowed to advance one base.
    Is this the Freel rule?

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    Fielders will not be allowed to step into a dugout to catch a foul ball. They will be allowed to reach in but must have at least one foot on or over the playing surface.

    Should they fall into either a dugout or into the stands after making a legal catch, all baserunners will be allowed to advance one base.

    So is it an out if someone falls into the dugout? What if there are no runners on base?
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    Wow, the more new rules that come out, the dumber they sound. Geez...I can almost justify the DH now.
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    Pitchers found to apply a foreign substance onto the ball will face immediate ejection and an automatic suspension. Previously an umpire would declare a pitch a ball, warn the pitcher and announce the violation.

    The new punishment brings the rule more in line with the automatic 10-game suspension levied on any player found to have defaced the ball by rubbing it with soil, rosin, sandpaper or other such foreign substance.
    The Kenny Rogers rule?

    Starting in 1974 the umpires were given complete authority to rule on an illegal pitch. A man named Gaylord Perry was the reason for this. Prior to this an umpire had to find concrete evidence (the substance). In 1974 they could rule an illegal pitch based solely on an "unusual flight". The penalty was calling the pitch a ball. Lots of pitchers in the 1970's threatened to take the issue to court if ejected; therefore, MLB decided to make the first penalty a called ball rather than ejection to avoid the courts and hopefully make the umpires enforce the rule.

    Funny how baseball has a rosin bag on the mound, but a pitcher is supposed to wipe his hand off on his uniform after using the rosin bag. And of ocurse the mound is dirt. A pitcher can wipe his hand in the dirt, but must wipe off the dirt before touching the ball.

    I wonder if the courts might get involved if this rule is enforced? A funny flight can be detected, but proving it is the reult of tampering is a lot tougher. Another tough thing (like the past) is getting the umpires to have the guts to enforce it. Will we ever see the rule enforced... how many times do you remember an umpire calling a ball for an illegal pitch? I cannot reacll it myself and I have watched a lot of baseball. I know all of you have watched a lot of baseball too... can you recall an umpire calling a ball for this rule violation (rule 8.02)?
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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    So is it an out if someone falls into the dugout? What if there are no runners on base?
    I'd have to say yes, it is an out. As long as the player had one foot outside of the dugout when the catch was made. If he falls into the dugout after securing the ball with at least one foot outside of the dugout, then it is an out.

    This is a good rule. Where the field meets the dugout is the line where "out of play" starts. If an outfielder climbs over an OF wall and catches the ball on the other side, then it is a HR. A player must be in play to catch a ball. As long as a catch is made while a player is in play it is an out regardless of what happens after he secures the ball for the out.

    On a related note... what about guys who are airborne while making a catch into the dugout or into the stands (seen more often)? I'd have to assume that if one foot is not officially in play, it should be ruled a foulball.
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    If a player catches a ball and his momentum takes him into the stands, the catch is ruled and out.

    With respect to the new dugout rule, the official rules say a caught ball is an out, so long as the fielder did not yet have one or both feet down in the dugout.
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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    It sounds like the umps are going to have to study the replays.

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    So what happens if it's a tie game, there are 2 outs and a runner on 3rd and there's a foul pop that a defensive player either goes into the dugout to catch or into the stands and the umpire invokes the rule? Does the runner score?
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    Where's the challenge flag? Oh, not yet.
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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    So what happens if it's a tie game, there are 2 outs and a runner on 3rd and there's a foul pop that a defensive player either goes into the dugout to catch or into the stands and the umpire invokes the rule? Does the runner score?
    If the fielder goes into the dugout or the stands in foul territory to catch a ball, the ball is ruled to be foul and out of play.

    Therefore, in the scenario you outline above, the ball would be dead and the runner could not advance.
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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    If the fielder goes into the dugout or the stands in foul territory to catch a ball, the ball is ruled to be foul and out of play.

    Therefore, in the scenario you outline above, the ball would be dead and the runner could not advance.

    That's not what the rule says. For one thing, it doesn't say if it counts as an out. And for another thing, it says that if the fielder falls into the stands or dugout after making a catch, the runner can advance a base. So it seems to me that either it's the third out, end of the inning and the runner can't score or it's the third out, the runner scores and it's the end of the inning or it's not an out and the runner scores.
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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    If a player catches a ball and his momentum takes him into the stands, the catch is ruled and out.

    With respect to the new dugout rule, the official rules say a caught ball is an out, so long as the fielder did not yet have one or both feet down in the dugout.
    That's how I read it as well.

    As long as at least 1 foot was in the field of play during the catch, then it is an out. Seems kinda like a reception in College Football.

    Looks like the new addition to the rule is that if the player's momentum carries him into the stands, or into the dugout after making the catch, all runners get 1 base.

    I can see Chip's point where this would get interesting is with that runner on 3rd base and less than 2 outs, if a player were to make a catch and then end up in the dugout or the stands, that runner on 3rd would automatically score.

    This begs the question, how many plays will we see during the 2007 season under that situation that will determine the outcome of a game?

    Would you, as a player, trade the out for a guaranteed run if you knew you wouldn't be able to stay in the field of play? Or would you purposely let the ball be a foulball?

    I just see no merit to awarding runners on base an extra base if a player makes a catch and then ends up in the dugout or the stands.

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    Re: Major League makes first rules changes in 11 years

    Rethink those god-awful blackout rules. Now there is a rule we can get behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    Rethink those god-awful blackout rules. Now there is a rule we can get behind.
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