Originally Posted by edabbs44
You're both correct. Big Boy, the Reds were tied for 1st place heading into September and heading out to that infamous late season west coast trip. I think that more than qualifies for being in the race.
I'd say it's PierreWho led the league in ground outs last year? I'm going to rip that guy like Marty does Adam.
Here's your top ten out makers last year and their RC/27 vs the league average at their position.
Juan Pierre made all the outs for the equal of 21 Cubs games... Magic.....Code:NATIONAL LEAGUE SEASON 2006 RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria OUTS OUTS RC/G 1 Juan Pierre 532 -.33 2 Jimmy Rollins 521 1.22 3 Jeff Francoeur 506 -1.14 4 Alfonso Soriano 493 1.18 5 Rafael Furcal 486 1.54 6 Felipe Lopez 483 0.46 7 Pedro Feliz 482 -2.19 8 Jose Reyes 478 1.87 9 Hanley Ramirez 477 1.54 10 Chase Utley 472 2.86
The point is the strikeout has no value whatsoever. If you have a guy on 3rd with less than two outs, would you want a groundout to 2nd or a strikeout? There are times when a groundout has a huge difference in a game compared to a strikeout.Who led the league in ground outs last year? I'm going to rip that guy like Marty does Adam.
Dunn's a power hitter. Strikeouts come with the territory, but if he can cut down on them a great deal, it will help his team win games. That's why he went so long without having a sac fly. He has to improve on making contact. The good news is, he's only 27 and has been reported to have come to camp with a new mindset this year.
Maybe he didn't show enough hustle.
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If a base hit is on the menu, I'd probably rather have one of those.
Given your two choices, though, I'd take the strikeout. Furthermore, I'd have that strikeout squirt through the catcher and go to the backstop. That would score the baserunner and put the batter on first base.
Makes all the routine posts.
Why you're at it, why not just have the aforementioned squirtting baseball take a crazy bounce off the backstop and skip into the dugout? That would advance the batter even further.
This situation came up for Dunn 20 times last year.
20 AB's out of 561.
His BA was .150. he went 3-20, had he gotten 2 more hits his BA would have been .250, 3 more hits it would have been .300.
He K'd 9 times and had 11 RBI.
Can we please let this go now? The sample is so small, it's pointless to talk about it. We are talking about roughly 4% of his AB's.
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Presumably we can look forward to Marty "tell it like it is" Brennamen calling out Scott Hatteberg on those occasions when he fails to sprint from the dugout to his defensive position.
Makes all the routine posts.
Then the "fans" are just that..."fans".
Small mkt teams do not have a real good chance at being consistently good. Many of these teams need to catch lightning in a bottle for a few years and then when their young talent gets too expensive, the team has to start over.
So when these "fans" get a chance to see playoff race baseball, they should grab some tix and head out to GABP.
The strikeout makes the pitcher throw, at minimum, 3 pitches to retire you. I'd rather have a 7 or 8 pitch AB that ends in a strikeout than a first-pitch swinging weak grounder to short.
Taking pitches and working the count causes the starter to labor and increases the likelihood that you'll get to what, for most teams, is the weakest part of their roster -- mid-inning middle relief.
Or, go ahead and hack at that first pitch. Maybe you'll make the starter tired just watching how hard you run.
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I'm for wearing the pitcher down with icy resolve and good old american know how!
School's out. What did you expect?
Or just run your organization smartly. Know when to trade your assets and develop new ones. Move guys a year too early rather than one to late.
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We're not talking about a quality at bat vs. a poor at bat. Working the count is always good thing, and even better when the ball is put in play. Hitting a ground ball makes the fielder field the ball, make a throw, and have the first baseman receive it. Striking out does none of that, unless it happens on a wild pitch or past ball. Also, a weak grounder to short just may get the run home in the scenerio I mentioned earlier.
Last edited by Redlegs; 02-19-2007 at 08:31 PM.
Oh bunky poo poo..... Oakland and Minnesota don't seem to be struggling to get ahead...
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Agreed. Same goes for the Florida Marlins a few years back when they took down the high priced Yankees. Smaller markets just have to work a little harder and a whole lot smarter until baseball wises up and gets a salary cap.
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