Those are the exceptions, not the rule.Originally Posted by jojo
Those are the exceptions, not the rule.
I don't always agree with Marty, but I am going to miss him when he's gone. Calling for his retirement is a bit much IMO. I love that Marty lets it fly, even if I don't always concur with him. He is a dying breed in the business and is a Cincinnati Reds legend.
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I agree. What bothers me is that Marty isn't Marty anymore.
He is still the best when he wants to be. Nobody was ever better calling game winning plays than Marty. He can still do that.
It bothers me that Marty now sounds bored doing PBP untill it comes down to that game winning play.
It has always bothered me that Marty has little faith and is so quick to give up on youg talented players.
It bothers me when Beat Writers, Sportstalk Host, and Fans must agree with anything and everything Marty has to say in order to escape a verbal tongue lashing from "The Hall Of Famer".
It bothers me when myself and others are labeled as "Marty Haters'.
I (we) do not hate Marty! We sometimes hate the silly things he says.
I can understand where you are comming from on the player bashing stuff. But I guess I can just compartamentize the flaws I don't care for becuause of all the good things he does. Fantastic big moment calls. Painting a picuture of what goes on on the field. Distinctive voices. Years of being a "fixture". For me, listening to him moan about Bowden for a minute out of an entire broadcast doesn't erase all of the good stuff he does.
Every person has flaws in their professional life. Even you Membengal. Do you call yourself a joke, walking skit or a fool because of the limited number of flaws in your work performance versus all of the things I'm sure you do very well?
I guess Marty's good far outweighs the minor flaws (or minor to me, I know they really bug other folks) in my book.
Am I a public person and the face of a franchise? (I am not). IF I were, I promise you, I would make certain not to do what he does.
Am I flawed? Well, duh. Of course. But I promise you, I make certain that my flaws DON'T include slagging on all the new hires at my firm, going around to other firms in town and talking about how crappy the new guys are, and slagging on our top biller because he doesn't get to depositions 5 minutes early. And if I did? The second my bosses found out? I would be an unemployed attorney. Very quickly.
There is a part of what he does in terms of how he communicates criticism about players that I simply don't understand in light of who he is. You and I are at an agree to disagree point on that.
And, again, you, like others, seems to read criticism like I have of Brennamen to mean I see nothing redeeming in him. I am pretty sure that all of my posts discuss how much esteem I hold him in. But he is completely wrong to do what he does to players like Dunn (and Milton, etc. etc. etc.). And it does take away from who he was and who he still can be when he wants to be.
Last edited by membengal; 02-20-2007 at 07:31 AM.
The point is, you should ignore some people's flaws, because they don't matter, but you should recognize and jump up and down on other's flaws because they do.
Can we at least keep the Marty bashing comments in this thread? Every damn thread now has some lame joke about Adam Dunn and Marty.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
Poor Marty getting it from all sides now is he?
Try the report post button or use the rep feature, that's what they're there for.
Nah, I'll just post it where I did.
Thanks though.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
Is that Marty's credo?
Hey, we agree on something!
GL
So is Todd Coffey the only "half" decent pitcher the Reds have on the ballclub? I mean Coffey only runs on the field but that's more than any of the rest of the pitchers.
And apparently a lot of other folks.
I don't think you hate Marty but when you say he's a joke and a farce because of this flaw of his then it's sorta hard to hear your esteem. But, as you said, we are at an agree-to-disagree point I suppose.
You raise an interesting point. Marty has been one of the faces (well, voices) of the franchise for many years. He's had these "fueds" with a number of players over the years (I think WOY pointed out several). Yet ownership/management hasn't seemed to care too much. Or at least, if they've dealt with something it's been behind closed doors. I wonder if they view his "tell it like it is (acording to Marty)" style as an asset because so many casual fans seem to value that approach? Even though it's counter-intuitive, perhaps they can live with a certian level of Marty-ness as they think the fans will revolt if they put a muzzle on him.
I think that Marty's schtick probably didn't bother Marge or Carl because they were both somewhat older and less sophisticated about marketing than most owners. I'm sure they never even said anything to Marty about it.
I'm not so sure about Castellini though. I don't think he's as likely to ignore this type of stuff as the previous two owners.
School's out. What did you expect?
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