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    The few open spots

    There are a few open spots on the bench and bullpen. Wonder how it works out.

    1. Deno v. Crosby. Not sure either will make the team if Hamilton stays, but assume that the Reds do want a backup outfielder who can play CF well. I am sure Redszone would vote for Denorfia hands down, and I probably agree. But Crosby hits lefty (better partner for Freel, a righty), has more experience, also at one time (not recently) hit for a high average in AAA.

    2. Keppinger v. Bellhorn. Again, not sure Reds will keep two backup infielders since Freel can always play inf in emergency. (Castro is presumably a lock.) If two, Bellhorn much more experienced, more power. Keppinger seems more like Krivsky's type. Low strikeout guy. Throw Jerry Gil into the mix, perhaps, as well.

    3. Moeller v. ? Does Moeller's value defensively (with Valentin primarily a pinch hitter) mean that Reds keep 3 catchers again and drop a different bench player? Could mean that all four of the above will be sent out.

    4. Hamilton v. ? If Hamilton has even a half-way decent spring, he stays. Somebody else loses a slot because of it, unless there is a trade for Hamilton's rights. In that case he can go to AAA for awhile.

    5. Salmon v. Ligtenberg v. Burton v. Meadows v. Shack. Assume that Bray, Coffey, Weathers, Stanton, Cormier, Belisle make the team in the pen. That leaves one bullpen spot. Majewski gets it if healthy. Big if. So one slot could be open. Could it be one of these five? Or somebody new from the outside? Or do the Reds keep EZ for the extra spot, to pitch long relief?
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    Re: The few open spots

    Good questions and I think there will still be some player movement before the season starts. We've got a surplus of players and I think we should utlize that for getting some reasonably decent prospects - just my opinion.

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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    There are a few open spots on the bench and bullpen. Wonder how it works out.

    1. Deno v. Crosby. Not sure either will make the team if Hamilton stays, but assume that the Reds do want a backup outfielder who can play CF well. I am sure Redszone would vote for Denorfia hands down, and I probably agree. But Crosby hits lefty (better partner for Freel, a righty), has more experience, also at one time (not recently) hit for a high average in AAA.

    2. Keppinger v. Bellhorn. Again, not sure Reds will keep two backup infielders since Freel can always play inf in emergency. (Castro is presumably a lock.) If two, Bellhorn much more experienced, more power. Keppinger seems more like Krivsky's type. Low strikeout guy. Throw Jerry Gil into the mix, perhaps, as well.

    3. Moeller v. ? Does Moeller's value defensively (with Valentin primarily a pinch hitter) mean that Reds keep 3 catchers again and drop a different bench player? Could mean that all four of the above will be sent out.

    4. Hamilton v. ? If Hamilton has even a half-way decent spring, he stays. Somebody else loses a slot because of it, unless there is a trade for Hamilton's rights. In that case he can go to AAA for awhile.

    5. Salmon v. Ligtenberg v. Burton v. Meadows v. Shack. Assume that Bray, Coffey, Weathers, Stanton, Cormier, Belisle make the team in the pen. That leaves one bullpen spot. Majewski gets it if healthy. Big if. So one slot could be open. Could it be one of these five? Or somebody new from the outside? Or do the Reds keep EZ for the extra spot, to pitch long relief?
    1) Deno. No contest.
    2) Most likely neither will make a difference.
    3) If Moeller makes the team we're in worse shape than I thought.
    4) Looking forward to see how he does. Wily Mo Part Deux??
    5) Cormier needs to be traded while Shack fills his spot as the left specialist. Hopefully, Ligtenberg pitches well this spring b/c he has some nice upside with good experience.
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    Re: The few open spots

    I'd add:

    EZ vs Saarloos vs Belisle vs Santos for the fifth starters spot. Saarloos probably has the edge, but not in talent. Santos is the darkhorse, but this spot should be EZ's to lose assuming he's healthy coming into camp.
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    Re: The few open spots

    Question 1 shouldn't even be a question. Deno is hands down the better player and it's not even close IMO. I'm anxious to see what Hamilton can bring to the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Question 1 shouldn't even be a question. Deno is hands down the better player and it's not even close IMO. I'm anxious to see what Hamilton can bring to the table.

    You may be right, but somehow I don't think the Reds are sold on Deno. We'll see, of course, and I can't believe he will be at AAA again. But I don't get the feeling he is a lock to make the team.

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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I'd add:

    EZ vs Saarloos vs Belisle vs Santos for the fifth starters spot. Saarloos probably has the edge, but not in talent. Santos is the darkhorse, but this spot should be EZ's to lose assuming he's healthy coming into camp.
    Agree, although my hunch is that Saarloos will be handed the job unless he messes up spring training badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Agree, although my hunch is that Saarloos will be handed the job unless he messes up spring training badly.
    Mine too.
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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I'd add:

    EZ vs Saarloos vs Belisle vs Santos for the fifth starters spot. Saarloos probably has the edge, but not in talent. Santos is the darkhorse, but this spot should be EZ's to lose assuming he's healthy coming into camp.
    Everybody writes off Belisle because of doubts about his durability but he clearly has the best stuff of that group and the biggest upside. He should be the favorite and the Reds should pitch him till he poops...
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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Everybody writes off Belisle because of doubts about his durability but he clearly has the best stuff of that group and the biggest upside. He should be the favorite and the Reds should pitch him till he poops...

    In 2005 Saarloos -- in the AL -- pitched 160 innings with a 4.17 ERA. (Granted, last year he didn't do as well.)

    Nobody else in the fifth starter race has had that kind of performance as a starter in their career.

    As for Belisle, I've said it numerous times. He throws harder than some others, but so far I don't think he's ever become the pitcher he was originally projected to be before his back injury. Maybe he will be a late bloomer and prove me wrong. I hope so. But I think long relief is the likely place he'll be this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    In 2005 Saarloos -- in the AL -- pitched 160 innings with a 4.17 ERA. (Granted, last year he didn't do as well.)

    Nobody else in the fifth starter race has had that kind of performance as a starter in their career.

    As for Belisle, I've said it numerous times. He throws harder than some others, but so far I don't think he's ever become the pitcher he was originally projected to be before his back injury. Maybe he will be a late bloomer and prove me wrong. I hope so. But I think long relief is the likely place he'll be this year.
    In 2005 Saarloos had a 4.25 ERA as a starter. He pitched 157 innings as a starter. And he had one of the weirdest home/away splits I have ever seen.

    On the road he was 6-4 with a 3.47 ERA, 5.09 at home. In a pitchers park. He gave up 11 HR's, 6 at home. Over all he's average through the first 15 pitches, great through the next 15, awful the next 15, great again the next 15, back to awful the next 30.

    I honestly don't know what to make of the guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    and the Reds should pitch him till he poops...
    That would certainly be an interesting way for Belisle to differentiate himself from the pack. We've seen a lot of crappy pitching from the Reds staff in the past few years, but I think this might be taking it too far.

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    Re: The few open spots

    If Chris Denorfia doesnt make this team out of ST and Crosby does, I will have given up on management being capable of doing their jobs.

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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If Chris Denorfia doesnt make this team out of ST and Crosby does, I will have given up on management being capable of doing their jobs.
    that would be a quick plunge from the days of last July.

    Crosby is one of those players who looks up to "replacement level".
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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    If Chris Denorfia doesnt make this team out of ST and Crosby does, I will have given up on management being capable of doing their jobs.
    I completely agree.

    There should be ZERO talk of should Chris Denorfia make the 25 man roster.

    The discussion should continue to focus as to why he's not the everyday CF for the Reds.


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