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    Re: The few open spots

    Don't read Hal McCoy this morning. It'll hurt. He's in a particular whining mood.

    I wish they just get rid of Bubba Crosby already.

    Chad Moeller sucks. One of these late spring games, Moeller's gonna come up in the bottom of the ninth and hit a home run. That HR against some scrub AA fodder will propel him to the third catcher.
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    Re: The few open spots

    On the position player side, with 4 bench spots taken by Castro, Conine, Valentin and Hamilton, leaves only one spot. But the possibility of Griffey starting on the DL may leave another.

    Also getting the feeling the Reds may have plans for Deno after all. He's had a ton of spring at bats, is starting to hit, sounds like hitting coach is devoting a lot of time to him.

    So maybe that last spot is his. If Griff on DL, bench could additionally include either Bellhorn or Moeller. I guess Crosby, who's been out, may still be in the hunt. Just based on the Reds' use of them recently, don't see Hopper or Gil making it.

    Also, wondering if the shin splints are a way to give Hamilton an early AAA rehab stint?
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    Re: The few open spots

    On a related note Sheldon has a mailbag answer today which will put REDSZONE up in arms.

    Hermanson and Moeller make the team.

    Burton, Deno and Coutlangus do not.

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    roster crunch

    13 position players ( assuming griffey doesn't start on the DL ) - Ross, Valentin, Hat, Conine, Phillips, Gonzalez, EE, Castro, Dunn, Freel , Deno,
    Hamilton & Griffey. These 13 are set. Deno belongs on the team not in AAA.
    He will get a lot of playing time this year.

    11 pitchers - Harang, Arroyo, Lohse, Milton. 5th starter likely Belisle. Bray, Coffey, Weathers, Stanton, Cormier, Saarloos, Hermanson & Burton.
    ( Majik on DL ). That still leaves us 2 pitchers above the limit. or one if we use the 25th slot for a pitcher.
    Salmon is almost assured to start in AAA.

    25th man - usually a pitcher but if Griffey can't play much then i would rather have another position player.

    Possible solutions:

    1. Belisle, Bray or Saarloss go to AAA. :thumbdown

    2. Cormier is traded. Redszone seems to want this. I don't think he is that bad but he is the 3rd best lefty in the pen and i am sure there are teams who could use a lefty reliever.

    3. some additional pitcher goes to DL. we still have 2 more weeks of spring training and someone could develop a problem.

    4. Milton is traded and both Belisle and Saarloos are starters. this is a longshot. any other big trade is also a longshot
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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    On the position player side, with 4 bench spots taken by Castro, Conine, Valentin and Hamilton, leaves only one spot. But the possibility of Griffey starting on the DL may leave another.

    Also getting the feeling the Reds may have plans for Deno after all. He's had a ton of spring at bats, is starting to hit, sounds like hitting coach is devoting a lot of time to him.

    So maybe that last spot is his. If Griff on DL, bench could additionally include either Bellhorn or Moeller. I guess Crosby, who's been out, may still be in the hunt. Just based on the Reds' use of them recently, don't see Hopper or Gil making it.

    Also, wondering if the shin splints are a way to give Hamilton an early AAA rehab stint?
    Deno needs to be on the team. Freel needs rest. Griffey is close to done. Hamilton is a wild card. I suspect Deno gets lots of playing time.
    Deno >>> Crosby or Hopper.
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    Re: The few open spots

    Here's the solution:

    Trade Cormier or Stanton to the Oakland A's for the rights to Jared Burton.
    Move Milton to the 'pen as a lefty specialist/long man and keep Belisle AND Saarloos in the rotation. Leaving us with this:

    Aaron Harang
    Bronson Arroyo
    Kyle Lohse
    Matt Belisle
    Kirk Saarloos

    Eric Milton
    Bill Bray
    Mike Stanton or Rheal Cormier (whichever one isn't traded)
    David Weathers
    Todd Coffey
    Jared Burton or Gary Majewski (if Maj is healthy Burton goes to AAA)
    Dustin Hermanson

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    Re: The few open spots

    Reds are awfully slow cutting down. My guess is that the next cut, which has to come in the next day or two, will have some interesting decisions:

    1. Bellhorn. Have to guess his position on the Reds is questionable. Wonder if he survives the next cut.

    2. Milton/Burton/Cormier/Santos. Would seem to me that something has to give with one or two of these guys. Saarloos and Belisle have earned slots, Weathers and Stanton have two year deals, will go north. Coffey is in. If Bray starts on DL maybe two of the above guys stay, but some tough choices have to be made.

    I put Milton on the bubble because the club has to be thinking about his performances of late (and in 2005 and in 2006). Cormier could be on the bubble, possibly with trade talks. Santos probably goes to AAA, but he's had a great spring. Burton Rule 5 status helps him stay, but with tight competition don't know what result will be. Didn't put Livingston on the bubble -- likely goes to AAA after his start tomorrow, unless he looks like Koufax out there.

    3. Deno/Hopper/Moeller. My guess is that these decisions go down to the wire. Possible injury issues could sort them out. Hopper's injury doesn't help his cause.
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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    1. Bellhorn. Have to guess his position on the Reds is questionable. Wonder if he survives the next cut.
    No way Bellhorn's being kept. He's now just filler for spring training due to injuries.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Reds are awfully slow cutting down. My guess is that the next cut, which has to come in the next day or two, will have some interesting decisions:

    .......
    2. Milton/Burton/Cormier/Santos. Would seem to me that something has to give with one or two of these guys. Saarloos and Belisle have earned slots, Weathers and Stanton have two year deals, will go north. Coffey is in. If Bray starts on DL maybe two of the above guys stay, but some tough choices have to be made.

    I put Milton on the bubble because the club has to be thinking about his performances of late (and in 2005 and in 2006). Cormier could be on the bubble, possibly with trade talks. Santos probably goes to AAA, but he's had a great spring. Burton Rule 5 status helps him stay, but with tight competition don't know what result will be. Didn't put Livingston on the bubble -- likely goes to AAA after his start tomorrow, unless he looks like Koufax out there.
    From what I have heard and/ or read Santos is already on a minor league deal and has indicated he will accept AAA assignment. I heard Brantley say outright twice this weekend that Burton makes the 25 man; they will do whatever it takes to make room for him (he inferred even if means Belisle (and Livington) starts the year at AAA). Cormier I think is trade bait but who knows for sure.

    I think the best we can hope for with Milton is that he will agree to start the year on the DL Remember he is coming back off of season ending (arthroscoptic) elbow surgery. Otherwise $9 million is still $9 million; and they are going to send him out there while they try to lure somebody into taking on at least some significant part of that salary.
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    Re: The few open spots

    As I see it, 21 spots are set.

    Starting 8; 4 bench guys (Hamilton, Conine, Castro, Valentin); 4 starters (including Lohse and Belisle, not Milton); 5 relievers (Coffey, Weathers, Stanton, Hermanson, Saarloos -- who could also start).

    Bray would make 22, but seems a DL risk. (Assume Majik on DL.) So there are 3 or 4 spots left.

    The competitors are Milton, Cormier, Burton, Santos, Deno, Hopper, Moeller.

    Livingston and Coutlangus outside chance if Bray out, since they are lefties.

    Inconceivable Reds will take only 11 pitchers because of the Burton Rule V thing. Would seem like 25th man should be pitcher to make room for Burton, unless a trade is worked out that lets him go to AAA.

    Milton has to be a question mark. I know there's a lot of debate, and the conventional wisdom is he stays, but with one year left on contract, can't be sure Reds won't eat it or DL him.

    Wouldn't be surprised if Cormier or Deno or both are traded. Also wouldn't be shocked if Hopper makes the club. He is a singles hitting machine, good for a bench spot. Then there is the whole third catcher thing.

    So, I think there are 7 guys for 3 or 4 spots.
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    Re: The few open spots

    I think it would take a pretty good poker face but maybe the A's do accept Cormier for the rights to Burton.

    If the reds make it clear they're not sending Burton back no matter what the cost. So then the A's choices are to accept a trade for less than value, or get nothing. I've got to think the A's accept less than optimal value.
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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    The competitors are Milton, Cormier, Burton, Santos, Deno, Hopper, Moeller.
    Milton is a mortal lock.

    Krivsky says he's going to carry three catchers, which means Moeller is in.

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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    Krivsky says he's going to carry three catchers, which means Moeller is in.

    Did he say it was a definite? The bench just got significantly weaker if that's the case.

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    Re: The few open spots

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    I think it would take a pretty good poker face but maybe the A's do accept Cormier for the rights to Burton.

    If the reds make it clear they're not sending Burton back no matter what the cost. So then the A's choices are to accept a trade for less than value, or get nothing. I've got to think the A's accept less than optimal value.
    Perhaps if we sweetened the pot by including Milton the A's would bite. Tell Billy Beane that Milton would pitch well in OAK.
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    Re: The few open spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Did he say it was a definite? The bench just got significantly weaker if that's the case.
    I didn't read it as a definite, but rather, it's not out of the realm of possibility. I don't think it's necessarily the best, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.


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