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    Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    For the 3rd straight year the Veterans committee elected no one to the Hall of Fame. Ron Santo was closest missing by 5 votes.

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    NEW YORK -- The Hall of Fame pitched another shutout.

    Ron Santo, Jim Kaat and all the other candidates were left out Tuesday when the Veterans Committee admitted no new members for the third straight election.

    Gil Hodges, umpire Doug Harvey and union leader Marvin Miller also fell short of the 62 votes needed for Cooperstown.

    Santo came the closest to the required 75 percent -- the former Cubs third baseman was picked on 57 of 82 ballots (70 percent).

    Kaat, who was strongly backed by Hall member Mike Schmidt, and Harvey each drew 52 votes. Miller showed a strong increase in getting 51, followed by Hodges with 50 and Tony Oliva at 47.

    The vets panel was revamped after charges of cronyism when it elected Bill Mazeroski in 2001. Expanded from 15 members to include all living Hall of Famers, the new committee has voted every other year starting in 2003.

    "The process was not designed with the goal to necessarily elect someone," Hall chairman Jane Forbes Clark said.

    Cal Ripken Jr. and Tony Gwynn were elected to the Hall by the Baseball Writers' Association of America in January. They will stand alone at the induction ceremonies July 29 in Cooperstown.

    The 84 eligible voters on the vets committee included 61 Hall members, 14 broadcasters, eight writers and one holdover from the previous panel.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Should be interesting to watch the next couple of years, not many HOF worthy players coming through the next 2 if I recall correctly?

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    Idiots. How hard is it to have everyone write Gil Hodges and Ron Santo on a freaking card?

    Sure Bill Mazeroski was probably more suited for the Hall-of-Very-Good-Players, but to say (and I quote the Madam Hall Chairman here) "The process was not designed with the goal to necessarily elect someone." is asinine. Why meet and waste time and money to get these guys here and not come to a simple conclusion? What message is Bud Selig showing to older fans about their favorite deserving ball players?

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    Idiots. How hard is it to have everyone write Gil Hodges and Ron Santo on a freaking card?

    Sure Bill Mazeroski was probably more suited for the Hall-of-Very-Good-Players, but to say (and I quote the Madam Hall Chairman here) "The process was not designed with the goal to necessarily elect someone." is asinine. Why meet and waste time and money to get these guys here and not come to a simple conclusion? What message is Bud Selig showing to older fans about their favorite deserving ball players?

    Major League Baseball. If it makes sense, it doesn't make sense to us.

    The whole HOF voting is screwed up and convuluted. The players vote for the GMs, Execs and others? Like any of them really have the slightest idea bout the contributions certain execs & GM had to the game.

    And - the fact that blowhard columnists who barely cover baseball have a vote like the Idiot Chicago Sun Times columnist this year who didn't vote for anyone, but excellent baseball writers like John Donovan & Rob Neyer don't because they happen to write for a website is about as messed up a system as there is.

    I say get rid of the Veterans Committe votes. Give all the current HOF & writers (a much larger and more qualified pool of writers), Group them all up into one big voting block and give them one shot a year to vote in whomever they choose. Extend the available window by a few years in the begining to even it out.

    Then do the same for all the non-players (Umpires, Media, Execs, other) - one shot, one vote for the whole block.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    Idiots. How hard is it to have everyone write Gil Hodges and Ron Santo on a freaking card?

    Sure Bill Mazeroski was probably more suited for the Hall-of-Very-Good-Players, but to say (and I quote the Madam Hall Chairman here) "The process was not designed with the goal to necessarily elect someone." is asinine. Why meet and waste time and money to get these guys here and not come to a simple conclusion? What message is Bud Selig showing to older fans about their favorite deserving ball players?

    Major League Baseball. If it makes sense, it doesn't make sense to us.
    Some people view being honored in a museum the equivalent of being granted access to Valhalla by the gods of Asgard. I think the election process on both ends is seriously flawed. I don't think the Vets will elect anyone in, because I suspect many of them believe that in order to get in you should at least be as good as they were if not better. I wonder how many of them are willing to admit that about guys who played after they did.
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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    Some people view being honored in a museum the equivalent of being granted access to Valhalla by the gods of Asgard. I think the election process on both ends is seriously flawed. I don't think the Vets will elect anyone in, because I suspect many of them believe that in order to get in you should at least be as good as they were if not better. I wonder how many of them are willing to admit that about guys who played after they did.
    I tend to think the opposite. I think after Maz got in, they got reprimanded like a bunch of kindergarteners because of favoritism. So, I think they got "whipped" to say the least.
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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    I'm probably the minority, but it doesn't bother me. I don't think Santo or Hodges are Hall of Fame players. If only the writers would follow suit for the regular Hall of Fame elections...

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Actually, I'm shocked that Marvin Miller hasn't gotten more recognition.

    Arguably, he has had more influence on the "business" of baseball over the last 35 years than anyone else. Donald Fehr has continued Miller's work, and sure, Miller has gotten mean and bitter since he left his position with the player's union, but without Miller's influence, the business of baseball today would be entirely different.

    I can't recall who is on the Veteran's Committee, but I'm betting that it's comprised mainly of pre-Marvin players.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    I personally dont think a player should be eligible more then one time for election, maybe one more time as verterans comittee. The player is retired, if he doesn't get it one year, what can he do to improve and deserve it another year?
    Noone responed to my earlier question, does the newbies election list the next few years have a HOF'er on them?? I saw a list hte other day printed, and dont recall seeing anyone I would consider a true HO'ef.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    I tend to think the opposite. I think after Maz got in, they got reprimanded like a bunch of kindergarteners because of favoritism. So, I think they got "whipped" to say the least.
    Well, that was when it was still only 15 voters, wasn't it? I think Maz deserved to be in the Hall as a great defensive second baseman, even if his offensive stats weren't quite up to snuff. I think the people who vote get way too sanctimonious about who belongs and who doesn't, but then guys like Bruce Sutter get in (who might deserve induction) and people like Santo and Bert Blyleven sit on the outside. They're voting to honor people in a museum, not electing the next pope. If a guy gets in with lesser stats because he was popular with the writers, fans or other players, who cares? I'm not saying they should get ridiculous with it and vote in 20 guys every year. But I think there should be a rule that if no one reaches the threshold, then the guy with the most votes gets in. I also think that there should be a broader voting base so that non-players who have made significant contributions to the game get considered as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bounty37h View Post
    I personally dont think a player should be eligible more then one time for election, maybe one more time as verterans comittee. The player is retired, if he doesn't get it one year, what can he do to improve and deserve it another year?
    Noone responed to my earlier question, does the newbies election list the next few years have a HOF'er on them?? I saw a list hte other day printed, and dont recall seeing anyone I would consider a true HO'ef.
    I think the problem with that style of voting arises from the politics of voting and how it relates to those players on the cusp. I think you'd have a lot more politicking for guys who might find themselves around the cut-off line for votes to ensure they don't get jobbed forever. It would also probably hurt small market players more than big market players.

    From the HOF perspective, I think it hurts the HOF to potentially have a year when no one gets elected. The HOF weekend is a big money maker for them. Imagine if they had to cancel for a few years because no one got voted in.
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    Veterans Committee Shutout

    As all of Cubs nation continues their perpetual whining (this time about Santo instead of Dusty or Bartman or some other flavor of the day), I do feel bad for guys like Blyleven and Pinson that deserve to get in on their merits and not just some late in life sympathy vote.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Sorry, Santo's good not great and is totally playing the sympathy card.

    Hodges, Kaat, Pinson and some of the others are simply victims of cronyism. I know that's a shock in baseball.

    Personally, I hope Marvin Miller is never granted admission to the HOF let alone membership. He and Selig belong in the same "special" wing.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath View Post
    Idiots. How hard is it to have everyone write Gil Hodges and Ron Santo on a freaking card?

    Sure Bill Mazeroski was probably more suited for the Hall-of-Very-Good-Players, but to say (and I quote the Madam Hall Chairman here) "The process was not designed with the goal to necessarily elect someone." is asinine. Why meet and waste time and money to get these guys here and not come to a simple conclusion?
    I think they came to a simple conclusion. No one was deserving of admission. You may not agree with that discision, but it was certainly one that the regular HOF voters concurred with.

    I agree with the statement. There shouldn't be any pressure that they have to elect anyone.

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    Re: Veterans committee puts no one in the Hall of Fame

    I honest don't think the Veterans Committee will ever elect a non-player.
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