"Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."
I, too, am from rural West Virginia (Cabell Co.) and have lived in the midst of NASCAR, near Richmond, VA, and Charlotte, NC. I have heard nearly every derogatory comment about my West Virginia roots that can be invented, and although most are said, jokingly, it gets very old and can be somewhat hurtful if said in the wrong company. I can't help where I was born and I am proud of my West Virginia roots. It may not come close to what racial minorities face, but it is, nevertheless, quite constant and gives you a real good idea of what racial minorities have endured. I must say that I hear many more derogatory comments about my roots, here in south Charlotte, than I ever hear about racial minorities, and the comments are never even looked on as being ugly or hurtful. Catch me in the wrong mood and I can get rather surly about it. Just as in racism, it is very easy for unaffected people to say that it doesn't compare or isn't nearly as bad.
As far as NASCAR goes, if people enjoy it, I have no problem with it.
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Fame is man given: be thankful.
Conceit is self given: be careful.
Once the weather gets warm, the Kentucky Speedway gets several weekends of racing June-September. The don't have have a Nextel Cup race but they have everything else.
It is a bit like a plague of locusts that descend upon the racetrack though. Not that NASCAR racing fans aren't good citizens (they are), it's just the sheer volume of cars and RVs that jam the highways all around the track for the weekend. I don't know what the track capacity is, but you fill the infield and stands and its a boatload of people.
It is built out in the middle of nowhere so there really isn't much of a local populace that gets disturbed. And the people that are there are grateful for the economic boost.
That makes about as much sense as saying it's ok to poke a complete stranger in the eye, because it's not as serrious as bonking them in the head with a pipe wrench.
Derogatory and insulting langague for any group (how ever they are defined or categorized) is wrong...period. Regardless of what "level of serriousness" to which it rises.
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a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.
I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate
I'm not a fan of Nascar, mostly for the reasons outlined by Paint so eloquently (no right turns), but I did once have a roommate who was really into it and I did find the stories about how the guys were always trying to stay one step ahead of the rules pretty interesting.
Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun
Your analogy is interesting. Some white folks of Anglo-Protestant descent truly believe that the expressions "cracker," "honky," and "whitey" bear the same thunder as "n-----r" or "kike." I'd say that your analogy is flawed: saying the former words to a white person is the equivalent of hitting them with a down pillow; the latter group, the equivalent of hitting blacks and Jews with a sledgehammer.
Language is context and history. "Whitey" or "honky" has no sting to it because whitey and honky have always had the whip-hand. It's never not been that way, in the history of humanity.
I think we all can agree that insults of any kind should be avoided, but let's not live in the la-la land that says these terms are of equivalent hateful power.
The hatefulness(evil) of what is said is defined by what is in the individual heart."But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man."
What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand
I think the feeling here is that a fine isn't a deterrent. To someone who has millions, a $20,000 fine or something like it isn't going to get it stopped.Fine him, but don't do something that negates what he did on the "playing field". When you do things like this, your product (good word for NASCAR) ceases being a sport.
Take away points on the track, and I'll bet drivers are a little more careful what they say.
Not that I agree, that's just their philosophy, I bet.
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Please keep the discussion civil and on topic.
What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?
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