Cincinnati Reds: Farm System Champions 2022
Wasn't it in June when Elizardo had that amazing 11 strike out game against the Indians I believe? He was overpowering them with his curveball and excellent command of both his change and fastball.
That game struck me as the telling factor of what Easy E could be, a very good controll pitcher at age 23. Do we forget he's still young? He's probably going to be a decent 4, passable 3 before the end of this career.
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Elizardo Ramirez has a laser straight fastball, and minimal movement on his other pitches. He's not a big league pitcher if anything more than a mop up guy, or that last guy out of the bullpen. He just doesn't have major league stuff. Ramirez doesn't have the stamina to be a 5th starter, due to the fact he struggles to regularly go 6 IP. If you're a starter, and you can't easily go 6 IP, then you're not a starter. Work on making yourself a legitimate bullpen threat, and then maybe you'll make the team. The biggest thing he has going against him is his lack of movement, and it's very tough to learn, develop and acquire movement on your pitches. You pretty much either have it, or you don't. Elizardo Ramirez doesn't.
When he is good, he has to be absolutely perfect. When you are that straight at this level, you can't miss location, at all.
It was a June game, but it was against the Brewers at GABP.
* June 14, 2006
> Ramirez: 8IP, 5H, 0ER, 10K, 1BB.
Unfortunately he didn't get a win. The score was 0-0 until Adam Dunn hit a 3R walkoff HR in the 11th w/ 1 out off of Dan Kolb. IIRC Dunn sprinted around the bases so no one would accuse him of being lazy!
Ramirez did beat the Indians (and Jeremy Sowers) on June 25 (REDS 4 - Indians 2). 6.2IP, 7H, 2ER.
For as straight as his fastball was, he performed fairly well for all of 97 innings last season....
I'd rather have Bailey replace Eric Milton not Kyle Loshe.
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I don't think there is any way Lohse isn't No. 3 in the rotation come opening day given that A) Krivsky knows him from his days in Minnesota B) WK traded for him kept him this offseason and C) Lohse did decent after coming over. A couple of shaky spring training starts aren't going to bump him even for someone like Bailey.
(Besides he drilled his ex-teammate in the head the first time he faced him!! (in the first freaking inning no less!) I'm putting him at No. 1 on my list of guys most likely to re-enact the Wilson-Farnsworth fight this season.)
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My preference would be to find a GM who likes Ramirez more than me and as much as some others around here and turn him into something useful before he takes the mound this year and proves me right.
Yeah, I suppose you are right. It just sucks that it happened in the first week of spring training. Anyway, I'm happy that this thread turned into some kind of productive conversation even it it isn't really about Bailey now.
I actually saw Elizardo pitch several times in person last year (rare since I don't go to that many live games anymore). Both were during the stretch when he was healthy and pitching well. I must say that he really impressed me, and he had the hitters baffled many times. He also seemed to maintain composure quite well in tough situations... although he gave up quite a few hits each time.
He seems like the kind of pitcher who might be most effective as a starter since he seems to warm up as he goes along... kind of like Brad Radke (I apologize if that comparison has already been made in this thread... I didn't have time to read the whole thing yet). I don't have any stats to back this up, but anecdotally speaking, he always seems to get into early trouble and then "settle down" by inning three or so if he makes it out.
Anyway, these are my thoughts...
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