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    Re: Has WayneK pulled another rabbit out of the hat

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I don't know about you but I would gladly take that out of my fifth starter.
    I'd say you *have* to take it when your 4th starter is going to be spotting an ERA in the neighborhood of 5.50.
    We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

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    Re: Has WayneK pulled another rabbit out of the hat

    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    Talk about revisionist history. Here is Moyer's stats for his FIRST five seasons. Not stellar no, but certainly a passable starter.

    SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
    1986 ChC 16 16 1 1 87.1 107 52 49 10 42 45 7 4 0 0 -- 5.05
    1987 ChC 35 33 1 0 201.0 210 127 114 28 97 147 12 15 0 0 -- 5.10
    1988 ChC 34 30 3 1 202.0 212 84 78 20 55 121 9 15 0 0 2 3.48
    1989 Tex 15 15 1 0 76.0 84 51 41 10 33 44 4 9 0 0 -- 4.86
    1990 Tex 33 10 1 0 102.1 115 59 53 6 39 58 2 6 0 1 -- 4.66
    He was nearly a full run worse than league average in four of those years. He was shade better than average in 1988.

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    Re: Has WayneK pulled another rabbit out of the hat

    Quote Originally Posted by redlegz View Post
    Talk about revisionist history. Here is Moyer's stats for his FIRST five seasons. Not stellar no, but certainly a passable starter.
    Actually, not stellar is an understatement. It's basically backend, #5 not stellar with the exception of a single season.


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    SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
    1986 ChC 16 16 1 1 87.1 107 52 49 10 42 45 7 4 0 0 -- 5.05
    1987 ChC 35 33 1 0 201.0 210 127 114 28 97 147 12 15 0 0 -- 5.10
    1988 ChC 34 30 3 1 202.0 212 84 78 20 55 121 9 15 0 0 2 3.48
    1989 Tex 15 15 1 0 76.0 84 51 41 10 33 44 4 9 0 0 -- 4.86
    1990 Tex 33 10 1 0 102.1 115 59 53 6 39 58 2 6 0 1 -- 4.66
    He was above league average exactly one year in those 5 seasons..... The only season during that span where he had a FIP below 5 as a starter was one in which he had an uncharacterisitcally high LOB% (1988).

    So no, my statements were not revisionist history.
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