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    Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    I posted this on the main forum because it lists info on major leaguers near the bottom of the article. If mods think this belongs in the minor league forum then feel free to move it.

    Notes: Bailey learning on the job
    Reds prospect struggles in first Grapefruit League start
    By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

    BRADENTON, Fla. -- Struggling in the second inning of an exhibition game was more valuable to Reds top pitching prospect Homer Bailey than when he coasted in the first inning.

    The 20-year-old knew the adversity was part of his big-league education.

    In a 10-4 Cincinnati win over the Pirates, Bailey zipped through a 1-2-3 first inning with two groundouts and a flyout. The second inning wasn't so smooth when the right-hander faced seven batters and allowed three earned runs, three hits, a walk and two wild pitches. He also received a mid-inning visit from pitching coach Dick Pole to catch his breath, something he rarely needed in the Minors.

    Bailey rushed his pitches, which caused him to leave his mid-to-high-90s mph fastball up and over the plate.

    "If I'm [in the Majors] early this season, just like I'm working to be, there are going to be times I get hit around. So what?" Bailey said. "The sun is coming up the next day. What you do is learn by it. Some people are scared to death of making a mistake and looking bad out there. I personally don't care. You have to know what you need to do now."

    Did the right-hander feel any difference between pitching in the Minors and the Majors?

    "Home to the pitcher's mound is still 60 feet," responded Bailey, the Reds' first-round draft pick in 2004.

    True, but Major League hitters weren't as easily fooled as those at levels below. One of Bailey's few shortcomings last season was his changeup. Even when it was effective like it was on Sunday, he didn't always get the desired results.

    An example was when Bailey threw the changeup for a first pitch to Jose Hernandez in the second inning. Hernandez was way out in front and swung and missed.

    Bailey tried the same pitch later in the at-bat with a full count on Hernandez.

    "[I said] 'He's going to miss this one big time.' No, he fouled it off," Bailey said. "[I thought] 'You've got to be kidding me! How did you foul it off?'"

    Hernandez capped the duel with a two-run double to right field. In the Minors, Bailey often shut down opposing lineups with little difficulty.

    "It's a great learning experience for him to get a start in a Major League exhibition game," Reds manager Jerry Narron said. "He's going to pitch some more. He'll get better. Sometimes, all of us think he'll go on the mound and just dominate every time he steps out there. That's just not going to happen."

    Narron said Bailey would get more innings, but it was unlikely he would start him again this spring. Unlike established Reds pitchers getting ready for April, Bailey doesn't have the full luxury of honing his shortcomings during Spring Training. Although expected to begin the season in Triple-A, he's pushing to earn the fifth spot in the rotation.

    "You're definitely working on some stuff, but you're trying to show what you have," Bailey said. "Earlier on, I was more working the breaking stuff and changeup. Now what I'll be working on is usually what I don't have to worry about -- getting a fastball down. There's always work to be done, but then again, I also have to compete.

    "Being a young pitcher, you always hear various pitchers being a student of the game. I'll be the first one to tell you that I'm not. But I will do whatever it takes to be the best at what I do. It's saying, 'This is what I need to work on. This is how I'll get it done. Do it.'"

    Hamilton hit ticker: Through four games, outfielder Josh Hamilton has a four-game hitting streak. Hamilton went 2-for-3 with an RBI on Sunday. The 25-year-old is batting .533 (8-for-15) this spring and continues to impress during his comeback attempt from a near four-year layoff.

    "He can hit a little bit," Narron said. "He's very talented and I'm very happy for him. I know how hard he's worked. I'll have to be careful here and give him some time off."

    Injury report: Outfielder Ryan Freel was scratched from Sunday's lineup with a sore left hand and wrist. Freel was hurt when he fell down trying to catch a fly ball in the second inning of Saturday's game against the Twins. Tests ruled out anything serious. Bubba Crosby took Freel's place in the lineup and played right field. Hamilton was shifted to center field.

    Infielder Jeff Keppinger suffered a broken right ring finger when he was hit by an Allan Simpson pitch in the fifth inning. Keppinger, who was 6-for-8 (.750) this spring, is expected to miss 4-6 weeks.

    Pitcher Bronson Arroyo was scratched from Sunday's 'B' game against the Pirates because of flu-like symptoms. If Arroyo feels better on Monday, he could do some throwing on the side.

    Outfielder/first baseman Jeff Conine has been sidelined with a stiff lower back.

    "B" game results: The Reds took a 5-0 win over the Pirates in a six-inning "B" game played Sunday morning. Filling in for Arroyo, lefty Michael Gosling allowed one hit and one walk over two innings with three strikeouts.

    Reliever David Weathers made his spring debut, allowing one hit and two walks with a strikeout in one inning.

    Coming up: The Reds host the Phillies at 1:05 p.m. ET on Monday at Ed Smith Stadium. Paul Wilson is scheduled to start for Cincinnati against Jon Lieber. Kirk Saarloos and Mike Stanton are among those expected to follow Wilson.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    "If I'm [in the Majors] early this season, just like I'm working to be, there are going to be times I get hit around. So what?" Bailey said. "The sun is coming up the next day. What you do is learn by it. Some people are scared to death of making a mistake and looking bad out there. I personally don't care. You have to know what you need to do now."
    Love the fact that he understands he cant dominate every time he toes the rubber.

    An example was when Bailey threw the changeup for a first pitch to Jose Hernandez in the second inning. Hernandez was way out in front and swung and missed.

    Bailey tried the same pitch later in the at-bat with a full count on Hernandez.

    "[I said] 'He's going to miss this one big time.' No, he fouled it off," Bailey said. "[I thought] 'You've got to be kidding me! How did you foul it off?'"
    Love the fact even more that he threw 2 change ups to the same batter in the same plate appearance. Love it even more that he went with his worst pitch in a full count.

    Heres to hoping he ends up in AAA so he can adjust to more professional type hitters fouling off his better stuff and figuring out how to work batters to his advantage.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    "Home to the pitcher's mound is still 60 feet," responded Bailey, the Reds' first-round draft pick in 2004.
    There's his problem. He's throwing it 6 inches too short.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    There's his problem. He's throwing it 6 inches too short.
    haha. maybe the reason for 2 wild pitches today?

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    My view on Bailey is the same to the entire Reds organization, fast foward to 2008 when the Reds have Adam Dunn, Joey Votto, EE, Phillips, Bailey,Coffey and a surging Jay Bruce(hopefully). Sounds like to me a good core of young talent coming into their prime with vets like Harang and Arroyo handling some innings. Make some payflex and fill in the rest during the offseason. The Reds may actually be something in 2008. But we have some distances to travel and hurdles to jump. 2007's will be the biggest, but possibly the payoff fans have been waiting for since 2003.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Aronchis, I think even if things go as planned, Jay Bruce isnt going to make an impact really until 2009... 2008 in September, probably, but not enough of an impact to make a ton of difference in 2008.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Aronchis, I think even if things go as planned, Jay Bruce isnt going to make an impact really until 2009... 2008 in September, probably, but not enough of an impact to make a ton of difference in 2008.
    Unless he is Adam Dunn,Wright or Cabrara. All 3 of those guys came up the middle of that season and did well. If Jay Bruce is the prospect I think he is, he may have a similiar explosion. Perfect timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aronchis View Post
    Unless he is Adam Dunn,Wright or Cabrara. All 3 of those guys came up the middle of that season and did well. If Jay Bruce is the prospect I think he is, he may have a similiar explosion. Perfect timing.
    Very true. Jay will be 20 this season and could hit AA. Odds are his 21 year old season will start in AA, so I guess if he goes nuts like Dunn did, he could go to AAA then MLB in a season. I am not sure the Reds would rush him like that though unless they needed him badly. I would go that in 2008 the Reds have Dunn, Griffey and Freel/Denorfia starting for them in the outfield. Of course Freel and Griffey are both good choices for an injury, so maybe you do rush Bruce a little bit. Time will tell.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Votto has really impressed so far this spring too. I would think if he keeps this up he might force the Reds to make a move.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Great stuff, but Freel hurt diving for stuff already!!!!!
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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    Votto has really impressed so far this spring too. I would think if he keeps this up he might force the Reds to make a move.

    I agree somewhat but truly think if he gets the call it will not come till mid season.
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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    I look for Bruce in '09, if he continues to show progress. That's a year after the Griffey contract expires. Unless the Reds decide to pick up that option year on Jr.
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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Very true. Jay will be 20 this season and could hit AA. Odds are his 21 year old season will start in AA, so I guess if he goes nuts like Dunn did, he could go to AAA then MLB in a season. I am not sure the Reds would rush him like that though unless they needed him badly. I would go that in 2008 the Reds have Dunn, Griffey and Freel/Denorfia starting for them in the outfield. Of course Freel and Griffey are both good choices for an injury, so maybe you do rush Bruce a little bit. Time will tell.
    If Hamilton proves to be the real deal, it would be something to see in 2009 an outfield of Dunn, Hamilton, Bruce, with EE, Gonzo, Phillips and Votto. That would be sweet, and the old men there would be Gonzo (32) and Dunn (30). Yikes!

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    If Hamilton proves to be the real deal, it would be something to see in 2009 an outfield of Dunn, Hamilton, Bruce, with EE, Gonzo, Phillips and Votto. That would be sweet, and the old men there would be Gonzo (32) and Dunn (30). Yikes!
    Yes it would be real sweet and you'd have LH power out the wazoo with Dunn, Hamilton, Votto and Bruce. EE could have an MVP type year feasting off of LH pitching that teams will be lining up against the Reds.

    Add in Harang, Bailey and Arroyo as a top 3 and 2009 looks real exciting IMO.
    2008 could be pretty good as well with Griffey in Bruce's spot, but Bailey and Votto may still be adjusting to the big leagues at that point.

    This is why the Reds shouldn't be wasting much time with the bullpen Geezers in 2007. The team seems to be shaping up in other areas for the "up years" but the pen is still real iffy. The Reds need to be sorting through younger guys who may be ready to take big roles in the next couple years.

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    Re: Notes: Bailey learning on the job

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    That's a year after the Griffey contract expires. Unless the Reds decide to pick up that option year on Jr.
    [cockneyaccent]Not bloody likely![/ca]

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