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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    I think it's forgotten that the Reds "pennant" race last year was nothing more than a circumstance of the NL environment rather than the Reds being a good team.
    Yes but has the addition of guys like Marquis, Lilly, Kip Wells and Williams to rotations and the minus of guys like Clemens and Pettite ,and Suppan(stl)
    mean that the environment has improved that much this year ?

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmac View Post
    Yes but has the addition of guys like Marquis, Lilly, Kip Wells and Williams to rotations and the minus of guys like Clemens and Pettite ,and Suppan(stl)
    mean that the environment has improved that much this year ?
    So is that the Reds plan? Hope everyone else sucks?

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    So is that the Reds plan? Hope everyone else sucks?
    I didnt say it was a "plan"....only asked if division was that much improved over last year ?

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmac View Post
    I didnt say it was a "plan"....only asked if division was that much improved over last year ?
    Your question should be, have the Reds improved since last year? The answer is no.

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by harangatang View Post
    Your question should be, have the Reds improved since last year? The answer is no.

    If anything, they've regressed.

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    Wonder what it was last year? I can 'bet" that it was below 80 games.
    Seems to me we were going to be in last place, lucky to avoid losing 100 games, and generally the scurge of the baseball world.

    Seems to be a theme this time of year.
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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Seems to be a theme this time of year.
    Yeah, I know that song...These guys used to sing it:


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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Seems to me we were going to be in last place, lucky to avoid losing 100 games, and generally the scurge of the baseball world.

    Seems to be a theme this time of year.
    Perception is a funny thing.

    Last year 132 predictions were given before opening day. By my calculations the Redszoners xpected 76.66 Ws on average.

    The Reds finished with 80 actual Ws and a 76-86 Pythagorean record.

    This was before the emergence of Arroyo, Ross, or Phillips. If anything, the site was relatively optimistic, as always.

    2006 Predictions - RZ Avg Ws: 76.66 Actual: 80 PTHG: 76
    2005 Predictions - RZ Avg Ws: 84.67 Actual: 73 PTHG: 75
    2004 Predictions - RZ Avg Ws 76.82 Actual: 76 PTHG: 67
    2003 Predictions - RZ Avg Ws 87.88 Actual: 69 PTHG: 63
    2002 Predictions - RZ Avg Ws 79.71 Actual: 75 PTHG: 63

    This site has always been a tad optimistic and likely always will. After all, its made up of Reds fans.

    GL
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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    If anything, they've regressed.
    My answer to this is...ST isn't over yet and I think we are going to see Special K Shine once again.
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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    My answer to this is...ST isn't over yet and I think we are going to see Special K Shine once again.
    Define "shine"

    I have a feeling we're gonna see a transaction that will have significant impact on the Opening Day 25 man roster.

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by gonelong View Post
    Perception is a funny thing.

    This site has always been a tad optimistic and likely always will. After all, its made up of Reds fans.

    GL
    Actually, I wasn't even considering the RZ predictions. Only thinking about the national media. That's what the original post was about, our rankings in the national sports media.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    I'm in the minority in this thread (I'm in the minority in many threads outside of RZ as well, but that's another story. I think the Reds improved from last year--their defense is better and their bullpen is better. The other teams in the division either did not improve at all (Houston, ST. Louis) or have a lot of ground to make up from last season (Cubs)--so they have a shot at winning 85 games -- it all depends how they do against the NL Central.

    And another thing, the Cubs odds are 3-2. For them to win 81 games, many things have to break right--maybe even more than the Reds need to win that many games.
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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    sportsbooks dont know any more than the TV sports analysists or weathermen

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    This projection seems a little pessimistic. I say let's go ahead and play the games anyway. We could be a surprise.

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    Re: I can't believe we're considered to be this bad....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Actually, I wasn't even considering the RZ predictions. Only thinking about the national media. That's what the original post was about, our rankings in the national sports media.
    Gotcha, though I don't recall the media being quite that down on the Reds last year either.

    GL


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