The death penalty is not revenge, it is the ultimate punishment, for the ultimate crime. Persons on death row, must think prison is a lot better than death because very, very few stop the appeals process.Originally Posted by vaticanplum
The death penalty is not revenge, it is the ultimate punishment, for the ultimate crime. Persons on death row, must think prison is a lot better than death because very, very few stop the appeals process.
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That's precisely the point, Ltlabner. They are not given the opportunity to think about anything else. What's for dinner? Same thing. Every day. For the rest of your life. You're reduced to the most basic animalistic functions.
No, it isn't. You always get to leave your room at some point. The fact that you think of sitting in a tiny room for the rest of your life, with nothing to do, as a light punishment quite frankly makes me question your own concept of freedom.Basically the "they have to think about it till they die" argument is an extension of "go to your room and think about what you did" on a grander scale. Whoopie do.
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These types of criminals are already reduced to their most basic animalistic functions. By locking them up for life all you've done is change their scenery.
Actually, if you read my posts, I said it's not punishment for those who don't understand freedom (ie. criminals of this type). I'd imagine that the both of us would go completey bonkers in about 2 weeks with nothing to do all day but look at our shoes. Then again, we both understand freedom and neither of us is likely to go out a killing and a rapeing anytime soon are we?
Because it is a punishment for you doesn't mean that it will have any effect whatsoever on the type of person capabile of these henous crimes.
Last edited by Ltlabner; 03-09-2007 at 12:10 AM.
You're reducing people to a stereotype based on their actions which is a gross oversimplification. Violent criminals spring from all types of minds, dim as well as brilliant.
School's out. What did you expect?
I'm not saying these people are ignorant. They may in a technical sense be brilliant. But that doesn't mean they comprehend the true meaning of freedom, let alone value it.
They operate on an entirelly different set of rules. Those rules don't happen to include "don't kill and rape people".
Ok, Ltlabner. I think your argument is grossly simplistic and baseless, but taken at face value, I ask you this: how does the death penalty then serve as punishment? They don't value freedom; obviously, if they've killed, they don't value life. By your standard, taking away their own life is a concept beyond their comprehension. So how is it punishment for the perpetrator and not revenge for others?
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You're arguing that just because they committed violent crime that they can't understand the concept or experience of prison as punishment which is an unfounded and misguided view of both humanity and criminality.
School's out. What did you expect?
It doesn't matter what they understand or don't understand.
We're not talking about the wrong they've done.
We're talking about not lowering ourselves as a society and doing the same wrong.
Taking a human life, unless in self defense, is wrong.
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I think not understanding that these types of criminals operate by different rules and standards is simplistic and nieve. So I guess we're even then.
Execution has several comonents IMO. Punishment for the criminal as their life is terminated. You are right that they don't likely their own lives but death is something we all try to avoid (with not too much sucess, I might add). So on some level they connect with it as a "bad idea". Probably because it's as cold and brutal as they are.
Revenge is also certinally a component. So is getting a speeding ticket when you speed. Different crimes different levels of revenge, but revenge none the less. Frankly when someone has committed acts so horrific and gastly they offend the sensabilities of societ as a whole, I don't think a little revenge is such a bad thing.
BTW, since you've deamed my opionions as baseless, where are the supporting facts and reams of research for yours? And I don't mean linking to a few anti-death penalty websites. The idea that sitting around doing nothing is as sevear as the death penalty is an equally baseless opinion.
Last edited by Ltlabner; 03-09-2007 at 07:22 AM.
Not meant to take the thread off track (if it was ever on one), but fyi...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...582304,00.html
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Interesting article. Glad to see there was no adgenda behind it being written.
So basically even solitary confinement is too mean and horible for people. Good lord. Maybe we should give them some self-esteeme classes and a hug from their mommy and see if that does the trick.
No crime, no time. That is as simple as it gets. No murder, no injection. Also a simple concept.
Is that the same as "we sell no wine before it's time" ?
The same wrong? Who said anything about raping the guy and burying him alive?
Comparing a broken window to a little girl who was raped and then put in the ground while still alive is just shameful.Can I slap you if you offend me? Break your window if your kid breaks mine? Blow your car up if you blow up mine?
Its amazing how much some of you value the life of the scum who did this to the little girl, while forgetting about the little girl.
Can you break my window? No, but you can probably get restitution through legal means.
Care to explain what restitution Jessica's dad is going to get? Oh, her killer is in prison, YIPPEE!
Last edited by MaineRed; 03-09-2007 at 08:04 AM.
Good call.
However, this is a country of laws. If the laws of this country say there is a death penalty, on a legal basis, I defer to the law.
On a personal basis, I think the death penalty is an atrocity.
Here's some more info: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FactSheet.pdf
Take particular notice of the pie charts and the Hart Research Poll's survey of police chiefs on the last page.
Last edited by dabvu2498; 03-09-2007 at 08:22 AM.
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