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    Gil shows promise for Reds

    Intriguing prospect is likely ticketed for Triple-A Louisville

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    SARASOTA, Fla. -- You can call it a cannon or a rifle. You could refer to as a Howitzer, and any other metaphor you'd like. Regardless, there could soon be a time when fans might seek a word to describe 24-year-old Jerry Gil's super throwing arm. Baseball insiders and scouts already have been raving for years.
    "He's got one of the best arms in the game, period," Reds assistant general manager Bob Miller said.
    Miller was with the Diamondbacks front office from 1999 -- the year Gil was signed out of the Dominican Republic as a 17-year-old shortstop -- until he joined the Reds to work for GM Wayne Krivsky last year. It was partially on Miller's recommendation, and special assistant Gene Bennett's, that Cincinnati dealt for Gil in exchange for Minor League pitcher Abe Woody last October.
    Gil logged a brief period in the Major Leagues with Arizona in August 2004 and demonstrated some of his potential in a game against the Reds.
    "In Cincinnati on a relay in the bottom of the ninth," Miller recalled, "[Ryan] Freel hit a double to left-center field. [Luis] Terrero got the ball off the wall and threw to Gil. He jumped and did one of those [Derek] Jeter plays where you land and you throw and don't step. He just threw a laser to home and got [Jacob] Cruz out."
    A couple of years ago while Gil was fooling around in the D-backs bullpen, the radar gun offered more evidence of how powerful his arm was.
    "I threw one 96 miles per hour, just one pitch," Gil said.
    A right knee injury suffered while back in Double-A during 2005 required surgery, and Gil spent most of the season on the disabled list. In 2006, he was one of Arizona's final Spring Training cuts as the team began grooming former top draft pick Stephen Drew.
    The Diamondbacks wanted to take advantage of Gil's arm strength and began using him in the outfield for 100 games at Double-A Tennessee. He also saw action at second and third base.
    "It was good for me," Gil said. "Now instead of one position, I can play four or five. As long as I get a chance to swing my bat, I'll play anywhere."
    "He took to it and he's fast enough to play center field," Miller said. "To me, he's almost the perfect utility guy -- a guy that can give you plus defense in center field and shortstop."
    When he was growing up in San Pedro de Macoris, which has its place on the baseball map as a factory of Major League infielders, Gil was more interested in becoming a big-league pitcher. But his uncle, former Reds pitcher Josias Manzanillo, had other ideas. "He always wanted me to play positions so I could hit," Gil said. "He said, 'I want you to be a hitter.'"


    The Reds would like Gil to smooth the rough edges offensively, and become more selective, but Uncle Josias' foresight about his nephew's hitting skills might have been correct.
    Gil displayed little power over most of his professional seasons -- until last season when the right-handed hitter connected for a career-high 26 homers for Tennessee, plus one more for Triple-A Tuscon.
    "He always had the power, but it wasn't in the game," Miller said.
    Gil felt that switching to the outfield helped him improve as a hitter.
    "It's not that I don't want to play infield anymore, I do," Gil said. "I just feel more comfortable in the outfield. When I'm in the infield, I have [to] move around, cut off [throws] and everything. But in the outfield, I stand over there and wait for the fly balls."
    This spring Gil has logged most of his playing time in center field for the Reds -- often as a late-inning replacement. Through eight games, he's batting .222 (4-for-18) with one home run and three RBIs. A replacement at shortstop on Friday vs. Cleveland, he was 0-for-2.
    Although he is on the 40-man roster, the battle for a roster spot out of camp carries longer odds for Gil. Cincinnati is already loaded with several veteran multi-position players like Freel, Juan Castro and non-roster invite Mark Bellhorn. If Gil doesn't make the 25-man roster, he'd likely be ticketed for Triple-A Louisville.
    However, Gil's versatility has left an impression on Reds manager Jerry Narron and could come in handy if the club has a need.
    "Just the short time I've seen him in the outfield, he looks like he has a chance to be an outstanding outfielder," Narron said. "He made the plays in the infield. Anytime, you've got a guy that can play well in the outfield or the infield, that's huge for you."
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    Re: Gil shows promise for Reds

    When he was growing up in San Pedro de Macoris, which has its place on the baseball map as a factory of Major League infielders, Gil was more interested in becoming a big-league pitcher.

    always go with that first instinct

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    I don't understand why the Reds don't groom him as a SS. Deno, now Hamilton, Bruce, possibly Stubbs make a crowded OF. Plus arm and now showing a little power. Unless the knee injury limits his range, he should play all season at SS in Louisville.
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    I like Jerry Gil. Here is a guy who has plenty of power, plays solid defense and can play four or five different positions on the diamond. His power is what intrigues me - he had 59 extra-base hits in 446 atbats in AA last season (27 2B, 6 3B, 26 HR) for a .531 SLG. That should make him one of the top prospects in baseball right?

    Well, not exactly. What's holding him back is his plate discipline, or lack thereof. His 18 bb/111 k rate and .302 OBP last season is what's keeping him from becoming a major league starter. Still only 24 years old, there is still hope for him to learn the strikezone a little better. If he does then the Reds could have their shortstop of the future, IMO.

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    I think his value will be as a utility guy with some RH power. He's got very unusual versatility -- CF and SS, and I think they've had him at 3B some, too, this spring. You have to figure he could play some 1B and the corner OF spots. That's 6 positions, including what sounds like plus defense in CF. Factor in RH power off the bench and in the lineup against a LH starter here and there, plus wheels to pinch run, and I think you've got a real nice bench player. The key, as others have noted, is that he's got to imporve that K/BB ratio at the plate. 500 ABs in AAA this year should help.
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    Re: Gil shows promise for Reds

    Gil>Castro

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    Deno needs to be traded.
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    Re: Gil shows promise for Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    I like Jerry Gil. Here is a guy who has plenty of power, plays solid defense and can play four or five different positions on the diamond. His power is what intrigues me - he had 59 extra-base hits in 446 atbats in AA last season (27 2B, 6 3B, 26 HR) for a .531 SLG. That should make him one of the top prospects in baseball right?

    Well, not exactly. What's holding him back is his plate discipline, or lack thereof. His 18 bb/111 k rate and .302 OBP last season is what's keeping him from becoming a major league starter. Still only 24 years old, there is still hope for him to learn the strikezone a little better. If he does then the Reds could have their shortstop of the future, IMO.
    Here's his numbers over 7 seasons in the minors: .250/.276/.397. Nobody's defense and versatility is good enough to compensate for that....

    Yep, thats an OBP of .276....

    The minors are literally filled with guys who can field well but can't get on base. Having a little pop really doesn't help distinguish him very much IMHO...
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    Re: Gil shows promise for Reds

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Here's his numbers through 7 seasons in the minors: .250/.276/.397 Nobody's defense and versatility is good enough to compensate for that....

    Yep, thats an OBP of .276....
    He hit .269/.302/.531 last year with 26 homers, 27 doubles, and 6 triples. I hate his lack of plate discipline but his power potential and versatility are intriguing. I would definitely take him over Juan Castro, who basically provides nothing to the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    He hit .269/.302/.531 last year with 26 homers, 27 doubles, and 6 triples. I hate his lack of plate discipline but his power potential and versatility are intriguing. I would definitely take him over Juan Castro, who basically provides nothing to the team.
    Yes and he got promoted to a hitters league and promptly went .128/.146/.213 in 50 at bats.....

    Here's his minor league equivalency for the "big year" he had in AA ball: .238/.265/.428 OPS: .693

    Whatever pop he supplies is completely mitigated by the horrendous OBP..

    As for the choice between Castro and Gil, your point is well taken, but it's really like-well do you want a kick in the groin or a knee in the face?

    Guess, I'm just not that intrigued....

    I prefer Freel being the supersub myself... If you really needed a back up for short, the Reds could've done alot worse than Olmedo (and of course they did do alot worse)
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    Re: Gil shows promise for Reds

    In today's game against the Indians, he misplayed 2 balls in a row in center. Cut in front of the right fielder on a Delucci hit and had it bounce off his glove, then on a Garko ball into the gap that I thought he took a terrible angle and the ball hit behind him. Looks like he has a loooooong way to go to be a center fielder in the bigs.
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    Re: Gil shows promise for Reds

    This is Abe Woody's line so far in Arizona's AA.
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    Team League W L  ERA G GS CG SHO SV  IP  H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO  AVG 
    MOB  SOU    1 0 5.63 5  0  0   0  1 8.0 13 5  5  2  2  7  2.60 .361


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