Reds All-Time Outfield

[Betterread]

The question about judging came up early, so I added this caveat:

You added a clarification (that I failed to read and would have helped make the point of your poll clearer), which is different from a caveat, which is a warning. (ex. - "caveat lector" - a Latin phrase meaning "Let the reader beware."

[WMR]

Robinson/Griffey Jr./Roush

[redsmetz]

You added a clarification (that I failed to read and would have helped make the point of your poll clearer), which is different from a caveat, which is a warning. (ex. - "caveat lector" - a Latin phrase meaning "Let the reader beware."

Sorry you missed it. I had overlooked it in the first hour or so and added that addendum. BTW, one meaning of caveat is clarification, and that's what my added line was.

v. tr. Informal
To qualify with a warning or clarification: The spokesperson caveated the statement with a reminder that certain facts were still unknown.

[Highlifeman21]

Seriously how do you vote for Dunn?

Dunn's accomplished some things already in his short career very few have accomplished. I don't remember them exactly off the top of my head, but IIRC, he was on a short list of like 6 guys for accomplishing something before age 26 or 27. I'm sure westofyou or M2 or Cyclone could remind me of his positive accomplishments.

That's how I vote for Dunn.

Dunn and Robinson were the no brainers for me. It was a close race between Roush and Pinson, but Pinson's D won him over for me.

My question to you is why not Adam Dunn?

[WVRedsFan]

When I voted, there was no doubt aobut two of the outfielders. None. Showing my age here, I witnessedsome of the greatest plays in Reds history while Robinson and Pinson were in the outfield at old Crosley Field. Those two were keepers offensively and defensively. My problem was the third outfielder. IIRC, Foster player left field almost exclusively and I can't remember any great plays by him, which is unusual. Of course, the offense was there. The only other player I could remember was Eric Davis who shined in both aspects. My assumption is an outfield of Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson and Eric Davis would have been special. With 90+ homeruns, 300 RBI's, etc.

I can't identify with anything Edd Roush did because he was way befrore my time. I also anted to give Griffey some props, but his career herehas been so injury plagued that even with the flashes of brilliance, he still is fourth on my all-time list.

[OnBaseMachine]

I voted for Eric Davis, Adam Dunn, and Frank Robinson as my top three Reds outfielders on all-time. I also voted for Vada Pinson accidentally but pay no attention to that. I based my votes on what these players did in Reds uniforms - not in their overall careers - or otherwise Ken Griffey Jr. would have been in my top three. Let me give a brief explanation as to why I voted for these three players.

Frank Robinson - the easiest choice of the three for me. A member of the Reds and MLB Hall of Fame, Robinson ranks in the top five in most Reds offensive categories: 1st in homers with 324, 3rd in OBP at .389, 1st in SLG at .554, 1st in OPS at .943, and 7th in walks at 698.

Eric Davis - possibly the most talented of the group. Injuries derailed him for parts of his career but he still managed to have a great career. Also a member of the Reds HOF, he too could be a part of Cooperstown if not for the injury bug. Davis ranks 6th on the Reds all-time HR list with 203 homers and 5th in OPS at .877.

Adam Dunn - I know a lot of people will think I'm crazy for choosing Dunn in the top three but consider this: Dunn is only 27 years old and is already 7th on the Reds all-time HR list with 198 homers and he could climb as high as 4th or 5th this season. He also ranks 10th in walks, 4th in OBP, 4th in SLG, and 2nd in OPS. By the time his career in over, Dunn will rank first in homers, walks, and possibily other categories. Dunn is currently on a pace to hit over 600 career homeruns. That's reason enough to crack my top three.

[redsmetz]

When I voted, there was no doubt aobut two of the outfielders. None. Showing my age here, I witnessedsome of the greatest plays in Reds history while Robinson and Pinson were in the outfield at old Crosley Field. Those two were keepers offensively and defensively. My problem was the third outfielder. IIRC, Foster player left field almost exclusively and I can't remember any great plays by him, which is unusual. Of course, the offense was there. The only other player I could remember was Eric Davis who shined in both aspects. My assumption is an outfield of Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson and Eric Davis would have been special. With 90+ homeruns, 300 RBI's, etc.

I can't identify with anything Edd Roush did because he was way befrore my time. I also anted to give Griffey some props, but his career herehas been so injury plagued that even with the flashes of brilliance, he still is fourth on my all-time list.

I found this on a review of the 1976 Series DVD:

George Foster's throw from left field to Johnny Bench in Game 6 to nail Denny Doyle at the plate. (I can vividly recall the ecstasy of seeing the umpire's "out" call to complete this double play and keep Game 6 tied.)

[Always Red]

I didn't vote for Adam Dunn, but I cannot fault those who did.

Here is a list of all-time Reds leaders in OPS:

OPS
Rank Player OPS (plate appearances)
1. Frank Robinson .943 (6409)
2. Adam Dunn .893 (3466)
3. Ken Griffey .891 (2856)
4. Joe Morgan .885 (4973)
5. Eric Davis .877 (3819)
6. George Foster .870 (5010)
7. Ted Kluszewski .869 (5404)
8. Cy Seymour .841 (2420)
Dmitri Young .841 (2178)
10. Edd Roush .839 (5965)

[RedsBaron]

I based my votes for Roush, Robinson and Rose based primarily upon what they did in their careers as a Red. If I instead picked an outfield based solely upon each player's peak season as a Red, I'd probably take Robinson's 1962 season, Foster's 1977 season, and Davis's 1987 season.
Of course, if I did that, Rose might get left off the team entirely, as I might very well take Perez's 1970 season while he was a thirdbaseman and Klu's 1954 season as a firstbaseman, leaving nowhere for Rose (Pete isn't ever going to be the pick over Morgan at second).

[Redlegs]

I found this on a review of the 1976 Series DVD:

It was '75.

[M2]

I based my votes for Roush, Robinson and Rose based primarily upon what they did in their careers as a Red. If I instead picked an outfield based solely upon each player's peak season as a Red, I'd probably take Robinson's 1962 season, Foster's 1977 season, and Davis's 1987 season.
Of course, if I did that, Rose might get left off the team entirely, as I might very well take Perez's 1970 season while he was a thirdbaseman and Klu's 1954 season as a firstbaseman, leaving nowhere for Rose (Pete isn't ever going to be the pick over Morgan at second).

Larkin '95 or '96? I'm assuming Bench '72 is the catcher.

All Deadball Team:

OF - Cy Seymour 1905, Mike Donlin 1903, Edd Roush 1917, Sam Crawford 1902 - having trouble sorting that one out
3B - Heinie Groh 1917 or 1919

Any suggestions on others?

[Always Red]

Here is a list of all-time Reds leaders in OPS:

OPS
Rank Player OPS (plate appearances)
1. Frank Robinson .943 (6409)
2. Adam Dunn .893 (3466)
3. Ken Griffey .891 (2856)
4. Joe Morgan .885 (4973)
5. Eric Davis .877 (3819)
6. George Foster .870 (5010)
7. Ted Kluszewski .869 (5404)
8. Cy Seymour .841 (2420)
Dmitri Young .841 (2178)
10. Edd Roush .839 (5965)

There are two amazing things to me on this list, other than Adam Dunn is 2nd all time in OPS.

The first is the OPS Roush compiled during the dead ball era, for not being a home run hitter at all (he had 68 in 18 seasons). But he had a ton of triples (182).

The second is that Ken Griffey, Jr is 3rd, all time in Reds OPS, even though his career here in Cincinnati has been largely a disappointment, mostly due to injury. When Junior has played, he's played very well!

[mth123]

There are two amazing things to me on this list, other than Adam Dunn is 2nd all time in OPS.

The first is the OPS Roush compiled during the dead ball era, for not being a home run hitter at all (he had 68 in 18 seasons). But he had a ton of triples (182).

The second is that Ken Griffey, Jr is 3rd, all time in Reds OPS, even though his career here in Cincinnati has been largely a disappointment, mostly due to injury. When Junior has played, he's played very well!

Dunn and Griffey aren't really a surprise. Its a sign of the times...

Top 15 League Ave OPS since 1900:

Year	BA	OBP	Slg	OPS
1930	0.303	0.360	0.448	0.808
1929	0.294	0.357	0.426	0.783
2000	0.266	0.342	0.432	0.774
1999	0.268	0.342	0.429	0.771
1925	0.292	0.348	0.414	0.762
2006	0.265	0.334	0.427	0.761
2004	0.263	0.333	0.423	0.756
2001	0.261	0.331	0.425	0.756
1922	0.292	0.348	0.404	0.752
2003	0.262	0.332	0.417	0.749
1994	0.267	0.333	0.415	0.748
1953	0.266	0.335	0.411	0.746
2005	0.262	0.330	0.414	0.744
1997	0.263	0.333	0.410	0.743
1954	0.265	0.335	0.407	0.742

[redsfanmia]

Dunn's accomplished some things already in his short career very few have accomplished. I don't remember them exactly off the top of my head, but IIRC, he was on a short list of like 6 guys for accomplishing something before age 26 or 27. I'm sure westofyou or M2 or Cyclone could remind me of his positive accomplishments.

That's how I vote for Dunn.

Dunn and Robinson were the no brainers for me. It was a close race between Roush and Pinson, but Pinson's D won him over for me.

My question to you is why not Adam Dunn?

He is a one trick pony and one of the worst defensive outfielder I have ever seen and he has basically admitted to dogging it for the last 5 years. Dunn is not in the same ballpark as Davis, Foster, Pinson, Robinson and so on.

[mth123]

There are two amazing things to me on this list, other than Adam Dunn is 2nd all time in OPS.

The first is the OPS Roush compiled during the dead ball era, for not being a home run hitter at all (he had 68 in 18 seasons). But he had a ton of triples (182).

The second is that Ken Griffey, Jr is 3rd, all time in Reds OPS, even though his career here in Cincinnati has been largely a disappointment, mostly due to injury. When Junior has played, he's played very well!

... But you are right about Roush. Many of the bottom 15 seasons overlap with his career.

Year	BA	OBP	Slg	OPS
1942	0.249	0.318	0.343	0.661
1914	0.251	0.317	0.334	0.651
1919	0.258	0.311	0.337	0.648
1905	0.255	0.315	0.332	0.647
1968	0.243	0.300	0.341	0.641
1915	0.248	0.309	0.331	0.640
1918	0.254	0.311	0.328	0.639
1917	0.249	0.305	0.328	0.633
1902	0.259	0.313	0.319	0.632
1916	0.247	0.303	0.328	0.631
1904	0.249	0.306	0.322	0.628
1909	0.244	0.310	0.314	0.624
1906	0.244	0.310	0.310	0.620
1907	0.243	0.308	0.309	0.617
1908	0.239	0.299	0.306	0.605