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    Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    I know it's still the first half of the spring training schedule, but Javier Valentin and Dave Ross have seemingly left their glass slippers at the 2005 and 2006 royal balls.

    It does not bode well for the team, which has to expect poor production from SS as well. I don't know that the Reds can afford to have two sink holes in the lineup.

    So, here's my question, what's Plan B? What do the Reds do about the catching situation if Valentin and Ross fall apart?
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Don't forget we have a backup plan.. Moeller

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I know it's still the first half of the spring training schedule, but Javier Valentin and Dave Ross have seemingly left their glass slippers at the 2005 and 2006 royal balls.

    It does not bode well for the team, which has to expect poor production from SS as well. I don't know that the Reds can afford to have two sink holes in the lineup.

    So, here's my question, what's Plan B? What do the Reds do about the catching situation if Valentin and Ross fall apart?

    Hey Chad Moeller .333/.400/.444 is still here!!

    On that note I had Moeller in a NL only league in 2002 .286/.385 /.467

    Doubt that happens again.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Well Chad Moeller is going to save us of course. I really think we should have kept Larue around. It isn't like we really went out and used the money saved from his contract.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Sanchez View Post
    Well Chad Moeller is going to save us of course. I really think we should have kept Larue around. It isn't like we really went out and used the money saved from his contract.
    I don't believe that any team can really afford to have 3 vertern options at any position, in case the first 2 fail.

    If Ross and Valentin fail we will be in trouble.

    Of course, last year if we said what will we do if Larue and Valentin fail , no one would have guessed Ross.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    good question, M2.

    What are they going to do with Moeller? He has a guaranteed contract, doesn't he? Can he be optioned?

    I think the duo's hitting will come around, at least a little. I'm more worried about their lack of catching prowess. LaRue got a lot of flack around here, most of which he brought on himself by his petulance, but the guy was a better catcher than Valentin or Ross.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Wasn't Benito Santiago looking to get back into the league earlier in the offseason? Jim Leyritz was too. Charles Johnson could probably be brought out of retirement. And Javy Lopez is available. These seem like some Reds-like choices.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Wasn't Benito Santiago looking to get back into the league earlier in the offseason? Jim Leyritz was too. Charles Johnson could probably be brought out of retirement. And Javy Lopez is available. These seem like some Reds-like choices.
    Steve Christmas is available, but I'd look at Dave Van Gorder or Alan Knicely first. Especially Knicely, because he's versatile enough to play 1B or the OF.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    good question, M2.

    What are they going to do with Moeller? He has a guaranteed contract, doesn't he? Can he be optioned?

    I think the duo's hitting will come around, at least a little. I'm more worried about their lack of catching prowess. LaRue got a lot of flack around here, most of which he brought on himself by his petulance, but the guy was a better catcher than Valentin or Ross.
    Moeller is an NRI with 5+ years service, so he can refuse assignment to the minors during the first 45 days. Unless of course he waived that right...

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    That's why I was milling over picking up Javy Lopez.

    Of course, I would've prefered to keep Larue and trade one of Ross/Valentine.

    I know Larue would've had a bad attitude (and it is justified, IMO), but if you somehow could convince him that it's open competition again and he can win his job back..

    It made no sense to pay the Royals all that cash to take Larue. Another bad move by Wayne which is overlooked. IIRC, we paid around 3 million to KC, right? Couple that with Stanton and Conine's money and you've got about 7-8 million, which is enough to buy a player that would've actually made a difference.

    Heck, worse case, you just use Larue as they plan to use Conine.
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    LaRue and Buck are hitting like Roy Hobbs

    .333/.368/.944 LaRue

    .267/.421/.667 Buck

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Javy Lopez is a retired DH who owns catcher gear

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Javy Lopez is a retired DH who owns catcher gear
    Lopez's receiving skills make Mike Piazza look like Tony Pena behind the plate.
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Javy Lopez is a retired DH who owns catcher gear
    But he's cheap and it's not like Ross and Valentine are gold glove catchers either. Was thinking more of him as a plan B if Ross explodes or as a pinch hitter for Ross when we fall behind.. Then Javy could stay in and catch the last few innings.

    Wasn't saying it was a great idea (see the Reds live thread).. Just something to think about.
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    First, I would absolutely hate the decision if they decided to go with three catchers again.

    1A. Moeller should be cut, and I'm hoping that happens soon.

    Second, it's early. I don't think we'll get the same production out of Ross or Valentin that we have in the past but I think the Reds will go to their grave with those two. I don't think there is a "backup plan." The backup plan for Ross is Valentin, and the backup plan for Valentin is Ross.
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