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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    The obvious course of action is to carry 4 catchers

    Put them together and you'll get decent numbers

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    It's spring training and naturally, "The sky is falling."
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    I think it is way to early to be negative about the catching situation. Simple as that. If you think Ross was an abberation last year that is one thing, if you think his line from this spring means the sky is falling, get a grip.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I think it is way to early to be negative about the catching situation. Simple as that. If you think Ross was an abberation last year that is one thing, if you think his line from this spring means the sky is falling, get a grip.
    If you think last year was an aberration for Ross, you probably have good reason to have been negative about the catching situation for quite some time now.
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I think it is way to early to be negative about the catching situation. Simple as that. If you think Ross was an abberation last year that is one thing, if you think his line from this spring means the sky is falling, get a grip.
    I had my reservations about this pairing before the season. So, while I agree that putting credence in ST numbers is something to be avoided, what bugs me is these guys have shown up looking every bit as bad as I suspected they could be.

    Likely there will be catchers moving around during the next three weeks (not frontline guys, but guys like Ross last year can be had). To a degree this becomes a matter of faith. Do you believe Valentin/Ross will get their acts together over the next few weeks or flip the switch when the games start to count?

    Or should the franchise look to hedge that bet?
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Sanchez View Post
    Well Chad Moeller is going to save us of course. I really think we should have kept Larue around. It isn't like we really went out and used the money saved from his contract.
    I don't believe that any team can really afford to have 3 vertern options at any position, in case the first 2 fail.

    If Ross and Valentin fail we will be in trouble.

    Of course, last year if we said what will we do if Larue and Valentin fail , no one would have guessed Ross.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    The Reds may have a bullpen arm or two that need to be flipped to get down to the 25 man roster. Perhaps a log jammed catcher with options can be brought in?
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    The Reds may have a bullpen arm or two that need to be flipped to get down to the 25 man roster. Perhaps a log jammed catcher with options can be brought in?
    Or maybe a Denorfia and Valentin for Kelly Shoppach + minor leaguer trade?

    That'd seem to make some sense. If you're not going to give Denorfia a chance at the MLB level, shop him and get something for him. I don't know how much sense that makes for Cleveland. They have a glut of 1B/OF/DH types, IIRC. That exact deal may not work for them, but that's kind of what jumped out in my head.

    The LLAAA Angels are another team that always seems to have a lot of catchers in the system. They might have some needs that meet our surplus.
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    How much do you think Kurt Suzuki from the A's would cost us? Denorfia and someone else? Maybe a Denorfia and Brad Salmon combo?

    Or if that wouldn't fly, the same for Shoppach?
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Larue's house is still for sale. A new catcher could get a deal.

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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by TC81190 View Post
    How much do you think Kurt Suzuki from the A's would cost us? Denorfia and someone else? Maybe a Denorfia and Brad Salmon combo?

    Or if that wouldn't fly, the same for Shoppach?
    I don't think Suzuki's available. He's still a highly regarded prospect. Shoppach's an ex-prospect, the sort of fellow a team might move for a modest return.

    LB, I like the idea of using some veteran bullpen excess as the bait.

    RL, Jeff Mathis is lurking over in the Angels system. I've always had a thing for him. He's got the catching skills. His offensive game seems to jump between good and awful. When he's right, he's just about everything you'd want behind the plate. Then he goes to hell with the stick and you wonder how he could possibly inhabit the same body as the guy who looked so good.

    On the upside, he turns 24 at the end of the month, so perhaps what's happened is he's been rushed a bit.
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I don't think Suzuki's available. He's still a highly regarded prospect. Shoppach's an ex-prospect, the sort of fellow a team might move for a modest return.

    LB, I like the idea of using some veteran bullpen excess as the bait.

    RL, Jeff Mathis is lurking over in the Angels system. I've always had a thing for him. He's got the catching skills. His offensive game seems to jump between good and awful. When he's right, he's just about everything you'd want behind the plate. Then he goes to hell with the stick and you wonder how he could possibly inhabit the same body as the guy who looked so good.

    On the upside, he turns 24 at the end of the month, so perhaps what's happened is he's been rushed a bit.
    As we've discussed before, Mathis would be a good pick-up. Angels need a lefty in the pen. I wonder what else the Reds would need to give. If the Matthews thing blows-up they may have interest in a CF option which I would expect a decent return for (IE Mathis). Its a longshot though and the Angels have a few of their own young options for CF.

    Reds may be more likely to get Jose Molina for one of the suspect lefties the Reds have to offer. The Angels could pair Mathis with Napoli. Not sure that really helps much. (It doesn't IMO.)
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    If the A's have a highly regarded catching prospect in Suzuki and already have Kendall and Melhuse (and Piazza) for this year, what about Jeremy Brown? Are the A's still high on him? They also have a pretty good hitting catcher in AAA named John Baker.
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    it is spring training folks

    if it is May 1rst or May 15th and our catchers are hitting .194 then i'll get concerned. i am not going to get upset about poor spring stats nor get too excited about good spring stats
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    Re: Hey brother, can you spare a catcher?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    If the A's have a highly regarded catching prospect in Suzuki and already have Kendall and Melhuse (and Piazza) for this year, what about Jeremy Brown? Are the A's still high on him? They also have a pretty good hitting catcher in AAA named John Baker.
    The A's are interesting because the Reds and A's still owe each other PTBNLs from the Saarloos deal.

    Brown is 27 this season and went .255/.317/.444 at AAA in 2006 and he was never considered a good defender IIRC but was once considered a decent hitting prospect for a Catcher. He's right-handed and OB challenged.

    Baker is 26 this year and went .273/.361/.386 in AAA in 2006. He's a LH Hitter which is valuable. I don't know about his defense at all and he seems to have no power.

    Neither are considered in the A's top 30 prospects.

    They also have some younger guys like Landon Powell (the A's number 20 per Baseball America and ready for AA in 2007). He a Switch-Hitter and is 25 in 2007. Also Anthony Recker is 23 and RH. He should be in High A this year and is considered the A's 23rd best prospect by Baseball America.

    I'd only be happy with any of those as long as the Reds only give up similar talent at an area of excess. (Bubba???) Only Brown or Baker could be useful in 2007 if Ross and Javy tank. And the usefulness is probably pretty suspect.

    My guess is that they consider Moeller all they need.
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