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    Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    I hope Jared Burton makes the Opening Day roster.

    The Reds are not a team that should be conservative with their bullpen selections. Why make the safe play when you don't have obviously better talent than your competitors in other areas?

    Not that many need to be reminded, but for the sake of discussion, the six, or more likely seven, relief pitchers will be chosen from among these eight:

    Burton
    Coffey
    Bray
    Weathers
    Stanton
    Cormier
    Hermanson
    Saarloos/Belisle (whomever is not the fifth starter, which I believe is now a two-man race)

    At first glance Burton is the least safe choice and perhaps the odd man out. But I would argue that the Reds should take a chance on Burton's potential, at least initially.

    No one middle-relief pitcher will make the difference of more than a couple of games, but (using round/average numbers to illustrate the point) if you estimate that your current bullpen has the makings of an eight to eighty-two win team, why not take a chance on a guy who, although he might put you in the seventy-eight to eighty win range, might also put you in the eighty-two to eighty-four win range?

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Red White View Post
    I hope Jared Burton makes the Opening Day roster.

    The Reds are not a team that should be conservative with their bullpen selections. Why make the safe play when you don't have obviously better talent than your competitors in other areas?

    Not that many need to be reminded, but for the sake of discussion, the six, or more likely seven, relief pitchers will be chosen from among these eight:

    Burton
    Coffey
    Bray
    Weathers
    Stanton
    Cormier
    Hermanson
    Saarloos/Belisle (whomever is not the fifth starter, which I believe is now a two-man race)

    At first glance Burton is the least safe choice and perhaps the odd man out. But I would argue that the Reds should take a chance on Burton's potential, at least initially.

    No one middle-relief pitcher will make the difference of more than a couple of games, but (using round/average numbers to illustrate the point) if you estimate that your current bullpen has the makings of an eight to eighty-two win team, why not take a chance on a guy who, although he might put you in the seventy-eight to eighty win range, might also put you in the eighty-two to eighty-four win range?
    I would agree about Burton, but any reliever blowing games adds up. With 24 Blown Saves last season, we need to improve in this area. If we could cut that number in half, we win this division.

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    If the Reds want to maximize the pen's potential they would cut the fat from this aging piece of meat and go with some younger arms, i.e. Burton, Salmon, and Countlangus.

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I would agree about Burton, but any reliever blowing games adds up. With 24 Blown Saves last season, we need to improve in this area. If we could cut that number in half, we win this division.
    I'd keep Burton but wouldn't use him in save situations unless/until he proves he ready for the Bigs. Until then use him in mopup, etc to keep him until he can be optioned in '08(in that role he'd probably cost the Reds 0 wins this year). If he performs well so much the better. In either case, he'll make the organization better in '08 and beyond.

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    I like you list, except trade Cormier and keep Majik or Livingston.

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    If the Reds want to maximize the pen's potential they would cut the fat from this aging piece of meat and go with some younger arms, i.e. Burton, Salmon, and Countlangus.
    This is EXACTLY what happens if the Reds aren't in it at the break. Most every bullpen arm over 35 goes and the pen goes to:

    Bray, Coffey, Burton, Salmon, Coutlangus, Majik, and one veteran arm

    along with starters

    Harang, Arroyo, Lohse, Saarlos, Belisle.

    This might hurt for a lost year, but if we're out of it, getting these guys some real ML experience would be a valuable investment.

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalls View Post
    This is EXACTLY what happens if the Reds aren't in it at the break. Most every bullpen arm over 35 goes and the pen goes to:

    Bray, Coffey, Burton, Salmon, Coutlangus, Majik, and one veteran arm

    along with starters

    Harang, Arroyo, Lohse, Saarlos, Belisle.

    This might hurt for a lost year, but if we're out of it, getting these guys some real ML experience would be a valuable investment.
    As a Rule 5 pick, if Burton doesn't make the Opening Day roster then he probably will not remain with the Reds.

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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    Can the Reds please just get rid of Cormier? That would solve all the problems here.
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    Re: Maximizing Potential in the Bullpen

    My pitching staff would look like this:

    Starters:

    Aaron Harang
    Bronson Arroyo
    Matt Belisle
    Kyle Lohse
    Kirk Saarloos

    Relievers:

    Todd Coffey, Bill Bray, Brad Salmon, Jared Burton, Jon Coutlangus, David Weathers.


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