Let's also not forget Ohio State has boosters with deep deep pockets.
That, and they have a history of NCAA violations for both of their two major sports, Football and Basketball.
Troy Smith got a public slap on the hand with that two game suspension a few games back for accepting money from boosters so the NCAA wouldn't dig deeper into that program, thanks to all the attention brought to it by Maurice Clarett. While I think Mo Clarett isn't a model citizens and has his own issues, there was definitely some truth to what he was saying about the OSU Football program. How much? Therein lies the problem.
Around the same time, the Basketball team gets a big NCAA slap on the wrist thanks to Dan, er I mean Jim O'Brien (sorry, it just seems so natural to blame everything on Dan O'Brien) for him paying a player money.
Thanks to the O'Brien fun, and the attention Clarett was drawing to OSU, AD Andy Geiger left, resigned, quit, c ya. I'm sure some people will ignorantly think that his decision had zero to do with the other two, but I can only shake my head to that.
Andy Geiger resigned b/c of those two incidents.
Still think OSU is a 100% squeaky clean program, and it's the "facilities" drawing young athletes to that collegiate Mecca of Columbus, OH?
-Troy was busted for accepting money before the ESPN-Clarret thing came to light. The NCAA cleared the football team of the Clarret allegations. Nice Try though.
- I didn't like Jim Obrien one bit. But the money thing with him, is a little overblown. If you believe the reports and his side of the story he gave the player money after he found out he couldn't attend OSU because of previous pro participation. Life in the Slavic republics isn't rainbows and unicorns.
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This is going to be the ONLY thing I say in the thread...
Cincinnati people like 2 of 3 teams... They go for their local teams.. X and UC... THen moreless UK.
Lets just say Matta screwed X. But come'on... Its X... When Ohio State comes knocking on your door with everything... Are you going to turn it down to stay down there? I know I wouldn't....
And with what Matta has done with the basketball program at OSU... ALOT of UK fans would love to have him come dress in Blue.... But he won't...
UK Fans keep hoping... You might be able to get Billy D or Lavin to come out of ESPN to coach... Hey... Maybe Jimmmy O can help yah out?
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If you think Ohio State is alone in that, you are sorely mistaken, and boarderline delusional with hate. Virtually EVERY reputable program in the country is, either knowingly or unknowingly, in violation of NCAA rules right now.
Every program has its own Myron Piggie. I'm not justifying it, I'm just saying that if you hate Ohio State for it, you should hate all college sports as well.
From where I sit, you're just a blind hater that will still be talking about those incidents 50 years, and 7 administrations from now, simply because you feel the need to take an unprovoked shot.
Last edited by guttle11; 03-28-2007 at 12:10 AM.
How's the saying go? If everyone else jumped off a bridge...
If you're not trying to justify OSU's habits, why make this point at all? We all know other schools have gotten in trouble. That doesn't make one ounce of difference if OSU (or any other school) continues to break the rules. This attitude disgusts me and unfortunately it is one shared by a lot of OSU fans I know.
Because this is a thread pertaining to Ohio State basketball and its current coach, and he couldn't help but jump in and take another shot at the programs program's past problems, (and insinuated that more cheating is taking place now) which is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. That attitude disgusts me, and many other OSU fans I know.
Last edited by guttle11; 03-28-2007 at 01:48 AM.
I've said in the Non-Baseball Chatter forum many times that all major Div I programs in Football and Basketball are all dirty on some level. Obviously, some more than others.
Nothing would bring a bigger smile to my face than to see a report about Duke finally getting busted for some NCAA violation.
It's not that I hate Ohio State as much as I'm amazed by the ignorance of most OSU fans that have the "not my school" syndrome. Ohio State is just one of many "dirty" programs across the country.
UC had its problems, I'm sure XU had its problems, and I know my Syracuse Orangemen had their problems back in the 80s and 90s with athletes being given cars from a local dealership.
I honestly wish that college athletes were paid. That would solve the problems. Athletes generate millions of dollars in revenue for their respective institutions, they should get a piece of the action. Giving them an "education" isn't enough, when the vast majority of your upper eschelon athletes are only at a college or university to improve their pro stock.
I agree that all programs either knowingly or unknowingly have or have had their share of problems. This certainly includes Ohio State. And who is to say that tomorrow there won't be some horrible finding about a booster who did something completely illegal once again. I sure hope not but how can anyone be sure with any program? I think in general that Ohio State seems to be moving in the right direction adminisitratively and that they are trying. IMO it woul dbe foolish with all the focus and scrutiny on this area nowadays for anyone to try to blatantly cheat the system. However there are so many external influences that are so difficult to control (unscrupulous or even well-meaning boosters, naive or desperate or unscrupulous kids).
I tend to side with Highlifeman on his last point about athletes getting paid, in some form anyways. Now that it is a clear violation for anyone to do pretty much anything for the college athlete (to the point of absurdity in some cases, but I understand if an inch is given...), I think there are some special circumstances that need to be considered. However, I still don;t know how much that would stop any blatant cheating, but I think it could help eliminate the offenses committed either unknowingly or with good intentions.
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A reporter asked Matta a rather lengthy question at his press conference today. The reporter happened to be wearing a Kentucky t-shirt. Here is the exchange that took place between them.
Matta: My first queston is, did you lose a bet today, with the shirt?
Reporter: It's a reminder we're looking for a coach. (laughter in the room, including Matta)
Matta: Oh, you're an alum from there?
Reporter: I graduated from there.
Matta: (spreading his fingers about an inch apart)Then I'll use real small words in this answer.
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