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    Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Interesting that Gammons points the finger at an unnamed pitcher from an unnamed club as the reason the All Star game now "counts"

    One of baseball's silliest notions is to pretend the All-Star exhibition "means" something, more than the price ticketholders spend in September, when games should be more important than something no one cares about. As it turns out, the reason the 2002 All-Star Game ended up tied was that a pitcher on one of the two teams was imbibing in the clubhouse and was not in condition to pitch, hence the game ended.

    And that's how home-field advantage is decided in the World Series, not by regular-season excellence. But then, what owner thinks about the guys who spend their money on tickets?

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Verrrry interesting. Which pitchers did not pitch in the ASG that year?
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    It can't be that hard to look up a list of candidates.....

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Here's who did pitch:
    American League
    Derek Lowe
    Roy Halladay
    Mark Buehrle
    Barry Zito
    Eddie Guardado
    Kazuhiro Sasaki
    Ugueth Urbina
    Mariano Rivera
    Freddy Garcia

    National League
    Curt Schilling
    Mike Williams
    Odalis Perez
    Eric Gagne
    Trevor Hoffman
    Mike Remlinger
    Byung-Hyun Kim
    Robb Nen
    John Smoltz
    Vicente Padilla

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Edit - Buckwoody beat me to it

    Looking at who was on the roster and who did pitch

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar02/s/roster/nl.html

    I don't see anyone that sticks out
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Unless I misread the list, every pitcher on the active roster got into the game.

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    That shouldn't be too hard to figure out.


    A.L. Pitcher(s)

    Derek Lowe
    Roy Halladay (3rd)
    Mark Buehrle (4th)
    Barry Zito (6th)
    Eddie Guardado (6th)
    Kazuhiro Sasaki (7th)
    Ugueth Urbina (8th)
    Mariano Rivera (9th)
    Freddy Garcia (10th)
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    N.L. Pitcher(s)
    Starter
    Curt Schilling
    Mike Williams (3rd)
    Odalis Perez (4th)
    Eric Gagne (5th)
    Trevor Hoffman (6th)
    Mike Remlinger (7th)
    Byung-Hyun Kim (7th)
    Robb Nen (8th)
    John Smoltz (9th)
    Vicente Padilla (10th)
    However the notes say that all 60 players were used. So one of these guys is the culprit! My guess is it is Freddy Garcia. If you look at the box score it appeared that he wasn't used until he had to be, and he allowed a SB and had a wild pitch in the 11th. That's my best argument, not really convincing but that's what I got.

    The Box Score:

    http://http://www.baseball-almanac.c..._by_play.shtml
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcclain19 View Post
    Edit - Buckwoody beat me to it

    Looking at who was on the roster and who did pitch

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar02/s/roster/nl.html

    I don't see anyone that sticks out
    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgbox/yr2002as.shtml

    That's the link I used and I didn't see anyone it could be either...all the pitchers seem to have been in the game...

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    At first glance, there were 9 AL pitchers and 10 NL pitchers who actually appeared in the game.

    But from also looking at the boxscore, the NL was the home team that year and therefore pitched the top-half of the inning. So it's possible that only the NL was out of pitchers and the AL had one left, which goes against the drunk pitcher theory.
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Unless it was someone who was supposed to pitch longer but couldn't.

    Zito or Kim perhaps.
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Here are the rosters I looked at. Check and see if you can find an unused, non-injured pitcher. I can't, but I'm getting old and have trifocals.

    Baseball Almanac

    Proof of my getting old is that I didn't see that this exact link had already been posted. Mine's neater, though. :
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    But really, that doesn't sound like what Gammons is saying and according to the rosters everyone pitched.
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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Unless it was someone who was supposed to pitch longer but couldn't.

    Zito or Kim perhaps.

    That's possible.

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    Every pitcher was used. I don't understand what Gammons is getting at.

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    Re: Gammons: The '02 All-Star game ended in a tie because one pitcher was drunk

    If I recall correctly Padilla either didn't want to pitch or didn't want to pitch much. But that's just a 4 year old memory I haven't used in a while.

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