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    Re: David Ross

    Lee's not the fastest dude alive. Big tall guys usually aren't.

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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    It honestly has nothing to do with him going 0-4. It was more about him not having a clue when up at the plate.
    Don't forget it was Zambrano making him look bad.
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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by vic715 View Post
    Don't forget it was Zambrano making him look bad.
    And the whole league made him look bad after the 2006 ASB.

    After you go through the league once, it's up to you to make adjustments. He hasn't to this point.
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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Lee's not the fastest dude alive. Big tall guys usually aren't.
    No, he's not a gazelle by any stretch of the imagination. But he got an early break towards second.
    What if this wasn't a rhetorical question?

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    Re: David Ross

    Take my comments with a grain of salt because I firmly stand by the opinion that LaRue should have been retained (especially if the Reds are keeping three catchers anyway), and I don't want to sound like I am summarily dismissing Ross's strong suits.

    Ross has good pop in his bat, but his lack of plate coverage and tendency to flail wildly against low breaking balls may be cause for concern, along with his pre- and post- ASB splits (as edabbs mentioned) and his home/road splits. The financial risk is minimal, but I don't think he'll be within 100 points of last season's 932 OPS.

    Home: .250/.359/.694 13 HR, 9 2B in 128 PA
    Road: .259/.348/.489 8 HR, 6 2B in 160 PA

    That's an extra 210 points of isolated power in GABP, but there weren't many PA so maybe we'll get a better picture over an entire season.

    pre-ASB: .311/.384/.681
    post-ASB: .203/.325/.484

    That said, what do we really expect out of the catcher spot? Crushing 15-18 mistake pitches over the wall and drawing a few walks to go along with a .250 BA is ok with me, but that is why I liked LaRue (above-average OBP and power for the position). The risk is not only minimal financially, but I believe Valentin is one of the better back-ups in the NL. The biggest downside in the catching carousel is Moeller's roster spot.

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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Lee's not the fastest dude alive. Big tall guys usually aren't.
    True, but he's not the slowest either. He did steal 21 bases in 2003. And 15 two years ago.

    Stats Inc. says that he "has good speed on the bases." http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerS...tegoryId=85927

    And, this website says Lee "has surprising speed for a first baseman." http://www2.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...rs/Derrek_Lee/

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    Re: David Ross

    I'm not ready to panic but Ross did look horrable at the plate today. Very, very bad.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    I'm not ready to panic but Ross did look horrable at the plate today. Very, very bad.
    and horrible
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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by sonny View Post
    and horrible
    Why don't you be a spellchecker for all my posts?

    That might keep you busy for a while.
    a super volcano of ridonkulous suckitude.

    I simply don't have access to a "cares about RBI" place in my psyche. There is a "mildly curious about OBI%" alcove just before the acid filled lake guarded by robot snipers with lasers which leads to the "cares about RBI" antechamber though. - Nate

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    Re: David Ross

    On the stolen base it looked like Lee went because Harang did not pay attention to him.

    Sure Ross didn't look good at the plate but how many people look bad when Zambrano is pitching? Let the guy get more ab's before you start jumping all over him. Could last years decline be because he isn't used to playing as many games as he did last year?

    As for wanting LaRue back here, come on. The guy can't even win the starting job in KC.

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    Re: David Ross

    Apparently the book on David Ross is to give him a steady diet of fastballs over the plate that he can't catch up to.

    He seemed to generally lay off the stuff out of the zone, with the notable exception of that excuse-me swing at the outside curve that ended his third AB.
    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: David Ross

    It's tough for me to have any credibility in critiquing Ross considering my man love for LaRue's ability as a baseball player, but Ross didn't look good in the spring be it against Major Leaguers, or guys praying to make the squads of the opponents. Defense is NOT his forte, and if he loses his bat, then I'd frankly rather see Moeller and Valentin in a platoon. I'd rather see Perez up here [assuming we still have him] because at least you get defense out of that, but if a guy brings relatively little/next to nothing, then why are you playing him?

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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    It honestly has nothing to do with him going 0-4. It was more about him not having a clue when up at the plate.
    I'm not trying to be adversarial, but he doesn't "have a clue" why???...because an all-star pitcher kept him off-balance the 1st day of the season???...I'm not saying that Ross will be the 1st half of '06 Ross, but I don't think yesterday is reason enough (nor spring training, i.e. Harang) to make such an indictment...

    Plus even in LaRue's good years he got off to terrible starts so we'd all be yelling about how badly he looked too


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    Re: David Ross

    Quote Originally Posted by TexRed View Post
    Just the first game folks, lot of AB's to come down the road. Only 161 games to go!
    No doubt. Do not make judgements about anything one game into a 162-game season.

    If Ross is not playing poorly by June 1st, then you can be concerned.
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    Re: David Ross

    Ross did look terrible, but I think he will be fine. He did amazing last year, and I think he can repeat.
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