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    Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Derek Zumsteg, Author of the Book Cheaters Guide to Baseball, thinks he caught Angels Closer Francisco Rodriguez doctoring the ball on Opening Day, then today.

    View the evidence for yourself

    http://www.zumsteg.net/cheatersguide...ring-the-ball/

    Francisco Rodriguez doctoring the ball

    4-2-2007, against the Rangers, K-Rod put something on the ball repeatedly during the 9th inning, and wasn’t even subtle about it. First, I’m going to admit these are bad pictures. Patches welcome, as they say in the open source world. Or suggestions on how to get better stills — but any set of stills isn’t going to be as good as watching it yourself: if you’ve got mlb.tv, it’s worth checking out.
    Pitches:
    to Wilkerson
    1: wipes brim of cap during long walk around mound, ball
    2: video cuts back to him too late to see. 94, ball
    3: grabs, rubs brim of cap, (2:48:28 on the mlb.tv feed)brings hand down, touches back of hand to back of jersey, rubs hand on jersey leg. 95.

    4: nothing, 94, strike
    5: grabs, rubs brim of cap (~2:49:15, same deal, running thumb inside) quick jersey touch. 95, strike.

    6: video cuts back to him too late to see, fouled
    7: good thumb work while walking back to the mound, 94, fly to center

    to Laird
    8: walking back to the mound at ~2:50:20, he crabs the brim and works the thumb for a couple seconds. Ridiculously blatant. Ball.

    9: no camera, 94, strike
    10: late camera, ground to 2b. Touches cap brim, thumb thing.
    to Kinsler
    11: no camera, 95, ball
    12: no camera, 94, strike
    13: crowd shots, 94, foul
    14: ~2:52:47, off the rubber, he does the cap brim thing again, touching jersey before and after. Ball goes into the dirt, Napoli swings, ball’s picked off the ground and he’s tagged out
    Compare the movement on those pitches to the movement on the fastballs where he clearly doesn’t go to the hat brim.
    Also, watching the video, it’s a lot more striking than stills convey — it’s clearly not a cap adjustment, but something else entirely. He grabs the front of the cap and then rubs his thumb on the underside of the cap, picking whatever it us up. On the video, it’s quite striking.
    Update: check out this still, where he’s tilting his head, courtesy of Sal Baxamusa

    Update: from today’s game, you can repeatedly see that there’s a glop of something white on the underside of his brim on the right side. Here are two shots. First, the straight still:

    And then, adjusting the levels to make that a little brighter

    In the 4-3-07 game, there isn’t the kind of totally blatant grab-the-brim-then-rub-thumb repeatedly, but it’s even more clear that there’s something on his hat brim and he’s putting his thumb right on it.
    Selected timings of shots of K-Rod’s brim, for your own reference:
    2:45:49
    2:46:07 (good)
    2:46:18 (good)
    2:47 (good)
    2:52:30 - decent shot of the brim
    2:54:50 - decent shot of the brim
    2:56:48 - decent shot of the brim
    2:57:50 - nice shot of the brim followed by K-Rod putting his thumb right in it

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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Interesting Jmcclain19. Looks like Zumsteg is on to something.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    The guy has the same routine every game. If he was such an obvious cheater it would have been noticed before his 5th year in the league.

    He does that routine EVERY game.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    The guy has the same routine every game. If he was such an obvious cheater it would have been noticed before his 5th year in the league.

    He does that routine EVERY game.
    Gaylord Perry had some routines for 20 years.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    I didn't know that ''little something''under his hat could make you throw in the high nineties.If thats the case then the Reds could take a page from K Rods playbook.

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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    The guy has the same routine every game. If he was such an obvious cheater it would have been noticed before his 5th year in the league.

    He does that routine EVERY game.
    Since this is his routine, and he usually uses the rosin bag as well, IIRC, would he not eventually(say after a full spring training) begin to rub a white mark into his hat?

    Not trying to vindicate him though, because I'm just going on a limb here, but I'm sure that since I've heard that the Rangers have complained to MLB after monday's game, he will be watched more closely now.

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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    When I was watching the Angels/Rangers game on ESPN2 on Monday night, I noticed the same thing, but not in such great detail. I really wondering if he had something under his bill on his cap. I didn't think a whole lot of it and didn't even consider it again until this thread came up.

    This is strange. It's almost like Deja-vu. Crazy stuff.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Arent the new hat's bill's green underneath now?

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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    pretty sure ours are black

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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    It certainly looks like something is under the bill of his cap. I imagine this will get sorted out pretty soon.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    It certainly looks like something is under the bill of his cap. I imagine this will get sorted out pretty soon.
    I'm not a scientist and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express, but I'm pretty sure that white is the same kind of white under the bills of all of my old game hats. I have always assumed it was the salt from the persperation that works its way through the material on the bill. After many wearings, the salt deposits collect at the end of the bill.

    Besides, it would be pretty stupid to use an obvious white substance to cheat.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    After many wearings…
    I'll betcha that tonight will mark the fourth time that hat has been worn.
    Makes all the routine posts.

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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsland View Post
    I'll betcha that tonight will mark the fourth time that hat has been worn.
    Heck, I'll hazard a guess K-Rod goes through a lot of new hats.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    I tend to think the mark is just the product of the hat being touched/tugged many times in the same area (as part of his routine), often with "resined" fingers. I can't really believe itr's much more than that.
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    Re: Is K-Rod Cheating?

    all of the bills are black underneath.
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