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    I know it's only a sample size of six games (five of them in hockey conditions), but I worry that the Reds two losses have been to pretty pedestrian lefties. Management has contributed to this problem with its one-sided emphasis of left handed power. My question is: can the Reds improve against lefties or will this be our offensive Achilles heel again this year?

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    It's still early so I really don't know yet. Only time will tell.
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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.
    That's where Deno would have came in. What about Norris Hopper when he returns? Is he a right or lefty?
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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    I was sure when Jerry made the ouble switch yesterday that it would be with Castro, not Moller. He's just a horrible hitter (granted, Castro's not much better, but at least he gets on hot streaks).
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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian.

    You're right on with Lilly though.
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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatPitchIsDunn View Post
    Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian.

    You're right on with Lilly though.
    I would take Lilly over Duke any day. I think Lilly could be this year's Arroyo. His curve just had the Reds sitting like they had never seen one. He looked like Zito.

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    I beleve Maholm is a lefty and the Reds handled him pretty well. he's about as pedestrian as you get.
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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

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    I would take Lilly over Duke any day. I think Lilly could be this year's Arroyo. His curve just had the Reds sitting like they had never seen one. He looked like Zito.
    We had about 3 balls hit against Liily that would have been HR's on any normal day..

    Lilly and Duke are about he same, league average starters.

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    I guess we're hoping Hopper can get back and give us a stick from the right side...I can't see why Moeller would not automatically be sent away when Hopper's heal is better.

    Problem is Norris has no power, but a high OBP guy. Do we give Griffey more days off vs. Lefties for an additional RH outfield bat?

    Reds need more production from back part of lineup vs. lefties. Ross, Gonzo, etc...need to step it up and be more impactful.

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    Hopper's career OBP in the minors is .345. That's not bad but I don't know that I'd classify him as a "high OBP" guy. And you're right, he has zero power. That said, I'd take him on the roster over Moeller in a heartbeat.

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    A lot of average pitchers are more feast or famine than really pedestrian overall, and Lilly tends to be like that. If you let him settle in and get his curveball working, you're probably going to have a tough time. If you get to him early, you can knock him around.
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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    Doug Davis tonight

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    			AB 	H 	2B 	3B 	HR 	RBI 	BB 	K 	SB 	CS 	GIDP 	AVG 	OBP 	SLG 	OPS 	 
     Juan Castro 		17 	4 	2 	0 	0 	0 	0 	3 	0 	0 	1 	.235 	.235 	.353 	.588 	 
     Jeff Conine 		18 	6 	2 	0 	0 	1 	1 	3 	1 	0 	1 	.333 	.368 	.444 	.813 	 
     Adam Dunn 		29 	6 	0 	0 	2 	2 	6 	9 	0 	0 	0 	.207 	.343 	.414 	.757 	 
     Edwin Encarnación 	10 	1 	1 	0 	0 	0 	2 	0 	0 	0 	0 	.100 	.250 	.200 	.450 	 
     Ryan Freel 		18 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	6 	0 	0 	0 	.056 	.105 	.056 	.161 	 
     Álex González 		4 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	2 	0 	0 	0 	.000 	.200 	.000 	.200 	 
     Ken Griffey Jr. 	23 	4 	2 	0 	1 	4 	2 	6 	0 	0 	0 	.174 	.240 	.391 	.631 	 
     Scott Hatteberg 	18 	6 	1 	0 	1 	4 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	.333 	.350 	.556 	.906 	  
     Chad Moeller 		1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	.000 	.000 	.000 	.000 	 
     Brandon Phillips 	14 	6 	1 	0 	0 	0 	3 	0 	0 	1 	0 	.429 	.529 	.500 	1.029 	 
     David Ross 		9 	1 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	5 	0 	0 	1 	.111 	.111 	.222 	.333 	 
     Javier Valentín 	3 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	0 	0 	0 	.000 	.000 	.000 	.000

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    That doesn't look promising WOY.... considering Conine and Hatteberg both do fairly well against him... but only Conine will be playing. Although given BPs success against him, maybe he can break out of this slump he has had at the start of the season.

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    Re: Reds vs. Lefties

    Considering contracts I think I'd take my chances with Duke over Lilly.
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