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    Mariners-Indians are snowed out again

    Monday's scheduled doubleheader between the Seattle Mariners and the Cleveland Indians has been postponed. The entire four-game series was snowed out, creating scheduling problems since the Mariners are not slated to return to Cleveland this year.

    Worried that more unseasonable weather could hit Cleveland again this week, baseball may send the Indians to warm up in Anaheim instead of making the Angels head east.

    And temperatures aren't the only thing that's way down: Home runs plunged during the season's frigid first week to their lowest level since 1993, with average dropping from 2.4 in last season's opening week to 1.8 this year. It hadn't been that low since a 1.6 average 14 years ago, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

    "You can see it. Some of the swings, not the quickest at-bats," Minnesota Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said following a game in the 20-degree wind chill of windy Chicago.

    After pitching an inning Sunday at Yankee Stadium, where snow flurries fell late, Andy Pettitte was happy to get out of New York and head to Minneapolis. Yes, the forecast called for a gametime temperature of 38 degrees Monday, but the Twins play in a dome.

    "I think we're all looking forward to playing in a controlled environment," said Pettitte, used to warmer surroundings back home in Texas. "This is just miserable."

    Cold didn't stop Tampa Bay's Elijah Dukes, who hit his first two career homers at Yankee Stadium. He connected for his second while wearing a ski mask with a slit around the eyes just wide enough to allow him to see, looking more cat burglar than slugger.

    From far away, Angels outfielder Gary Matthews Jr. took notice and reconsidered his clothing for a scheduled trip to Cleveland and Boston.

    "I pack tights and gloves," he said. "I think I might go topcoat for the first time in my career for this trip."

    In damp and foggy San Francisco, Dave Roberts altered his pregame preparation.

    "I spend a little more time in the hot tub to keep my body loose," he said.

    At least he got to play.

    Three games were wiped out in Cleveland, one in New York, one in Chicago and one in Detroit. Unable to play the Indians on Sunday, at Cleveland's Jacobs Field, Richie Sexson, Adrian Beltre and some of their Seattle Mariners' teammate focused on the angels — snow angels. With the green grass covered by a blanket wintry white flakes, they frolicked on the field along with Jose Vidro and Jose Lopez.

    Baseball tried to work around the cold a decade ago, without great success. After enduring a snowout at Boston's Fenway Park, a snowy afternoon at Yankee Stadium and cold in Detroit and Chicago in 1996, baseball remade the schedule for 1997, using all five covered fields then in the majors and every West Coast site.

    No brainer, right?

    After teams in the East and Midwest got home, eight games were wiped out by weather on the season's second Saturday, raising that year's total to 17.

    Draft schedules must be given to the players' association about nine months before opening day. Katy Feeney, baseball's senior vice president of scheduling, wished she had an advance forecast that early. She must deal with teams that want as many home dates in June, July and August — when attendance is usually highest — and clubs that don't want to spend to spend weeks on the road in April.

    "They'll lose fan interest if the baseball season opens and they don't come home for an extended period of time," she said. "It's like, 'Who are those guys and where did they come from?'"

    That said, baseball is looking at alternatives. Bob DuPuy, the sport's chief operating officer, said outsiders are helping the sport examine its scheduling.

    "Some of it is guesswork," he said. "You can have bad weather the third week in April in Detroit as easily as you could have bad weather the first week."

    For AL MVP Justin Morneau, it's all relative. Spending the weekend with the Twins in Chicago wasn't nearly as frosty as some games in the minors.

    "Portland, Maine, was real cold," he said. "At Rochester, I remember we played one game at Syracuse to open the season and the turf was still frozen, so we were slipping around. It was like a skating rink out there."
    So, what is the solution?

    I think the sport would be helped out overall if the season was reduced to 120 games..Start it later, maybe in May...what do you all think?
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    I'm not sure why people are talking about schedule changes due to a freak cold spell.
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    Re: Snowed out

    Force all new stadiums from now on to have retractable roofs.

    Season used to start in mid April, that wouldn't be a bad thing.
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    Re: Snowed out

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    Mariners-Indians are snowed out again



    So, what is the solution?

    I think the sport would be helped out overall if the season was reduced to 120 games..Start it later, maybe in May...what do you all think?

    I said it in another thread. One doubleheader per month would give you an extra week.

    Another thing...how about making southern teams and teams with domes play at home during the first week of the season. Why was Seattle in Cleveland instead of the other way around. Why was Tampa in NY?

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    I saw this weekend (on ESPN or Fox, I can't remember) that a big reason that these games are getting snowed out is because they've started the season earlier and earlier.

    If you notice, the whole Jackie Robinson celebration is still almost a week away, because they never used to start this early.

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    Re: Snowed out

    Tampa requested an away series to start off since they have some race event going on in Tampa

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    Absolutely no way they (MLB, owners, and players' union) will ever eliminate games. Too much TV money, ticket money, concessions, and for the players, contract incentives to eliminate any games.

    I'd rather see more double-headers and push the start of the season back a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttle11 View Post
    I'm not sure why people are talking about schedule changes due to a freak cold spell.
    Agreed. People are acting like this happens every year. It's usually still cold in April in a lot of MLB cities. This April, it's colder than usual. When July comes, I guarantee you that this will be forgotten (except in the Indians' case, when they'll have to make up all 4 of those games. If that is what ends up knocking them out of contention, I'll be happy!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJReds View Post
    I said it in another thread. One doubleheader per month would give you an extra week.

    Another thing...how about making southern teams and teams with domes play at home during the first week of the season. Why was Seattle in Cleveland instead of the other way around. Why was Tampa in NY?

    The article said they tried that one year and the next week they still had bad weather.

    But the DH idea does have merit. Owners would complain about the lost revenue but CLE lost a bunch of revenue this week.
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    I had about enough of this Global Warming Mr Gore keeps harping on us about. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Force all new stadiums from now on to have retractable roofs.

    Season used to start in mid April, that wouldn't be a bad thing.
    I love the roof idea!!!!! But i would miss baseball if we have to wait 2 more weeks
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    Re: Snowed out

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    But the DH idea does have merit. Owners would complain about the lost revenue but CLE lost a bunch of revenue this week.
    I think owners would definitely resist scheduling that many doubleheaders. Too much lost revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OesterPoster View Post
    Absolutely no way they (MLB, owners, and players' union) will ever eliminate games. Too much TV money, ticket money, concessions, and for the players, contract incentives to eliminate any games.

    That might be short-sighted thinking, though. Even if those games hadn't been snowed out or played in cold weather, you would think you could get more people to a DH in July when the weather is warm than you could to a game in early April. I went to the game here yesterday and they said there was 14K people there but there couldn't have been more than 5,000 people there. Less people at a game means less tickets, merchandise, beer and food sold there not to mention parking.
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    Re: Snowed out

    1.) Start the season a week later. Not only a better chance for decent weather, but avoid having opening day coincide with the College Basketball National Championship Game. I think the DH idea is great. I used to absolutely LOVE hunkering down for a whole afternoon and evening of baseball.

    2.) Schedule most first week games in warm weather cities.

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    My solution? Quit obsessing over a problem that only exists MAYBE one year out of 10, and which isn't really a problem to begin with. I don't care if you're a fan or a player, you are *not* entitled to be pampered 24/7; you are, however, obligated to take the cards dealt you and make the best of them.

    Look, I don't want to get off on a rant here, but as one of southwest Ohio's finer baseball umpires, I've called my fair share of games in the month of March, and have always operated under the philosophy that significant snow on the ground is bad (but 9 times out of 10, the school district/park district takes the decision out of your hands on that call), but if it's just cold, you gear up, you nut up, and you play. It's not like it's 31 and windy on the pitcher's mound and 55 and sunny at home plate; everybody's dealing with the same thing, so just deal. Of course, I guess what I'm not taking into account is that at some point in the last 6-8 years or so, America's gone all nancy on us, and now, sometimes I'll vote to play a game, and two coaches will agree that they'd rather not. What the hell? I get paid the same if I freeze my sweet caboose off or not.

    Oh for the days when they didn't even give us Indoor Recess unless it was like minus-5 degrees outside. Today, high pollen counts are grounds for indoor recess, and even if they let you out, you're forbidden to play dodgeball or any game that might cause light bruising in your weaker children. The people who have made those decision must be the same ones who think that MLB needs to make any sort of changes to scheduling based on one weekend's worth of meteorological inconvenience. Fie on all of them, and on all the other many ways we're becoming a culture that caters to the petulant whining of the Lowest Common Denominator in order to keep them safe and placated....
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