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    No love for Matt Belisle?

    Where's the love for Matt Belisle? The guy has only been one of the best starting pitchers in the National League thus far. As long as he can control his fastball, he can be really effective. He's got all the stuff. I think he is going to have a really good season this year.
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Give him a couple more starts for people to build a scouting report on him. He probably throws a couple more pitches as a starter than as a reliever. But I've been really impressed with what I've seen so far. When he was starting a few years back, it seemed to be a mental problem, because when he had to start on no notice (he did that twice) he dominated, but when he had to do it on regular rest, he struggled. Looks like Winter Ball and some more time in the bigs got him mentally prepped for starting at the MLB level.
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Looking very solid so far with his fastball/slider power mix. He seems to have put his curve on the back burner -- is it my imagination, or is he throwing it a lot less than before?

    I'm very encouraged by Belisle.
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Matt's done a fine job in his first two starts. Hopefully he can continue cause Lord knows we need the pitching.
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Here's my blast from the past on Belisle:

    Matt Belisle doesn't want to admit that he might pitch better when he doesn't know he's starting.

    Belisle (2-4) got his first start of the season on April 13 at St. Louis, when he replaced injured Ramon Ortiz. He'd been told the night before that Ortiz might be sidelined with a groin injury, and he responded by allowing one run and four hits in Cincinnati's 6-5 win.

    The rookie right-hander, the only nonstarter to not pitch in Tuesday's 14-inning win, had no warning that he would be making his first start since April 23. Harang was sidelined by flu-like symptoms, and Belisle didn't know he was starting until he arrived at the ballpark about 1½ hours before the game.

    He responded by limiting the Nationals to two runs and five hits, and matching his personal best with six strikeouts in a career-high six innings.

    "I guess that's my track record, but knowing or not knowing, it should be the same," Belisle said. "The big thing is to establish consistency. I knew the bullpen was depleted, and I wanted to give them as much as I could, so I wanted to be aggressive."
    Box score from that game: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250525117

    Here the box on Belisle's first start in '05: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250413124

    This was his next start, one where he had advance warning: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250418117

    The Cubs hit four homers in the first three innings off shellshocked starter Matt Belisle, who was muttering to himself on the mound as he jerked his head and watched one ball after another clear the walls.

    Corey Patterson, Aramis Ramirez and Burnitz also homered off Belisle, who moved into the rotation because Ramon Ortiz is disabled by a strained groin.

    Thousands of Cubs fans in the stands reveled as Belisle gave up three homers and a double off the wall in a 17-pitch sequence of the first inning. Patterson started it with a two-out homer to right, Ramirez then hit one to left, and Burnitz doubled off the wall in left. "I had a very tough time making adjustments," Belisle said. "On my breaking balls, I was just casting them instead of throwing them like I had been."
    Belisle made one more start in that stretch: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250423128


    Then he had a long time off of starting until he had to go for Harang and pitched that gem of a game where the first quote comes from. When he had to start a second game, he did better this second time through, but he still took the loss, going down 4-3 to the Marlins on a CG by Willis. Box score here: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250531118
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    So far so good in my oppinion...one of the suprises of the early start of this season

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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunner44 View Post
    Here's my blast from the past on Belisle:



    Box score from that game: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250525117

    Here the box on Belisle's first start in '05: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250413124

    This was his next start, one where he had advance warning: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250418117



    Belisle made one more start in that stretch: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250423128


    Then he had a long time off of starting until he had to go for Harang and pitched that gem of a game where the first quote comes from. When he had to start a second game, he did better this second time through, but he still took the loss, going down 4-3 to the Marlins on a CG by Willis. Box score here: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=250531118
    Great info and post...

    It did seem like for a while Belisle's stuff was ahead of his "mind"...hopefully he's up to the task of being counted on every 5th day now...


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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    According to Melvin after the game, he was very impressed with Belisle. He said Matt used mostly fastballs and change-ups early, then started really using the breaking balls the 3rd time through the order.

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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    I was included among the Belisle doubters and I am very happy to be proven wrong so far. He seems to have confidence and hasnt gotten down when he has given up runs early. Very, very solid performances so far.

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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Plenty of love for Matt Belisle; I think he's our #3 SP now. He definitely has a better plan of attack this year, IMO.

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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Plenty of love for Matt Belisle; I think he's our #3 SP now. He definitely has a better plan of attack this year, IMO.
    How much of that is Dick Pole? And how much is D-Ross? He still calls a good game even if he couldn't hit Mt. Rushmore...
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dunner44 View Post
    How much of that is Dick Pole? And how much is D-Ross? He still calls a good game even if he couldn't hit Mt. Rushmore...
    I seem to remember Team Clark stating the exact opposite last year. Maybe Ross has made some changes this year, but TC was saying the pitch sequence called by Ross was very predictable last year.

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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by OesterPoster View Post
    I seem to remember Team Clark stating the exact opposite last year. Maybe Ross has made some changes this year, but TC was saying the pitch sequence called by Ross was very predictable last year.
    Interesting. I thought his rep was as a guy who called a good game. But TC obviously knows a lot more about baseball than me.
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Plenty of love for Matt Belisle; I think he's our #3 SP now. He definitely has a better plan of attack this year, IMO.

    You should be the manager then cause Lohse is 3, Milton 4 and Belisle 5.
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    Re: No love for Matt Belisle?

    I always thought Belisle had the stuff and has some very nice pitches. Maybe he is starting to put it together.
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