Kyle Lohse

[TeamEncarnacion]

I'd take a duplication of any of those years, but even in 02 his FIP shows his results may have been a little lucky (BABIP of .287, the best of his career). Looking at the WHIP and HR numbers suggests a Miltonesque type of pitcher. A full year in Cincy when the weather warms up may prove it. I hope I'm wrong.

hes had a really good half year combined his whole time here almost as good as harang

[Patrick Bateman]

I'd take a duplication of any of those years, but even in 02 his FIP shows his results may have been a little lucky (BABIP of .287, the best of his career). Looking at the WHIP and HR numbers suggests a Miltonesque type of pitcher. A full year in Cincy when the weather warms up may prove it. I hope I'm wrong.

Season Team   K/9 BB/9 K/BB  HR/9  AVG  WHIP   BABIP LOB%  FIP 
2004 Phillies 7.21 3.36 2.15 1.93 .257  1.35   .274 76.5 % 5.51 
2005 Reds     5.94 2.51 2.37 1.93 .311  1.55   .329 64.6 % 5.62 
2006 Reds     5.31 2.48 2.14 1.71 .275  1.34   .282 68.5 % 5.41

Milton's HR rates the last 3 years are in the 1.80/9 range while Lohse is in the 1.20 range.

Lohse has been a far better pitcher the last while and there is no valid comparison at this point. Plus he is actually showing signs of improving which seems to be something Milton is incapable of at this juncture in his career.

[TeamEncarnacion]

Season Team   K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 AVG WHIP BABIP LOB% FIP 
2004 Phillies 7.21 3.36 2.15 1.93 .257 1.35 .274 76.5 % 5.51 
2005 Reds 5.94 2.51 2.37 1.93 .311 1.55 .329 64.6 % 5.62 
2006 Reds 5.31 2.48 2.14 1.71 .275 1.34 .282 68.5 % 5.41

Milton's HR rates the last 3 years are in the 1.80/9 range while Lohse is in the 1.20 range.

Lohse has been a far better pitcher the last while and there is no valid comparison at this point. Plus he is actually showing signs of improving which seems to be something Milton is incapable of at this juncture in his career.

no1 is ever incapable of improving he might be getting just a little older but if his leg feels good he should do good out there

[Patrick Bateman]

no1 is ever incapable of improving he might be getting just a little older but if his leg feels good he should do good out there

His leg hasn't been good in 3 years since his injury occurred. How long does it take for injuries to heel?

[TeamEncarnacion]

His leg hasn't been good in 3 years since his injury occurred. How long does it take for injuries to heel?

along time if they dont get fixed properly but he hasnt extremely bad this year he do better sure but he has a lot of strike oust and not too many hits given up.

[mth123]

Season Team   K/9 BB/9 K/BB  HR/9  AVG  WHIP   BABIP LOB%  FIP 
2004 Phillies 7.21 3.36 2.15 1.93 .257  1.35   .274 76.5 % 5.51 
2005 Reds     5.94 2.51 2.37 1.93 .311  1.55   .329 64.6 % 5.62 
2006 Reds     5.31 2.48 2.14 1.71 .275  1.34   .282 68.5 % 5.41

Milton's HR rates the last 3 years are in the 1.80/9 range while Lohse is in the 1.20 range.

Lohse has been a far better pitcher the last while and there is no valid comparison at this point. Plus he is actually showing signs of improving which seems to be something Milton is incapable of at this juncture in his career.

But Lohse wasn't pitching in Philly or Cincy. I think his HR numbers would have been higher.

[Patrick Bateman]

But Lohse wasn't pitching in Philly or Cincy. I think his HR numbers would have been higher.

The Metrodome and being in the AL didn't exactly make his life a hitter's paradise.

His HR numbers would probably have been incrementally higher if he was in Cicny during his career, but there would still be a massive .40 -.50 HR/9 difference.

[mth123]

The Metrodome and being in the AL didn't exactly make his life a hitter's paradise.

His HR numbers would probably have been incrementally higher if he was iun Cicny during his career, but there would still be a massive .40 -.50 HR/9 difference.

You're probably right. 1.4 or 1.5 HR per nine isn't 1.8 or so, but its still high and the point is that lots of HR coupled with lots of baserunners is a combination that doesn't suggest success in a park that encourages HR. I think Lohse could be a good starter in San Diego or Seattle. But even Milton would be better there. So would just about every pitcher. As I said earlier, if he puts his 2007 types of numbers up for another few weeks after the weather has warmed, I'll buy in.

[Willy]

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...90#post1199090


I hope he keeps it up

[savafan]

As I said much earlier and many days ago in this thread, never underestimate the contract drive in a free agent walk year. Never.

You know, I understand the logic behind guys trying to perform well when they stand a chance to earn money, but the part of it that upsets me is that guys should always be playing at their best no matter what, that's what my job expects of me, and I'm sure most of our employers expect that out of us. Work ethic is a beautiful thing.

[AmarilloRed]

Kyle Lohse has said he is open to an extension. I think Krivsky should try to get it done if he keeps giving us quality starts.

[fearofpopvol1]

Kyle Lohse has said he is open to an extension. I think Krivsky should try to get it done if he keeps giving us quality starts.

He has looked sharp this year, but I think if his value continues to climb he becomes a very valuable trading piece come the deadline...

[savafan]

He has looked sharp this year, but I think if his value continues to climb he becomes a very valuable trading piece come the deadline...

Wouldn't he be even more valuable if he's signed to a reasonably priced contract extension?

[fearofpopvol1]

Wouldn't he be even more valuable if he's signed to a reasonably priced contract extension?

Perhaps, but it could be risky. I'm also not sure the Reds could get him for a reasonable extension with Borris and the fact that he was already (at least according to most) already been overpaid for this year.

[AmarilloRed]

Lets see what Lohse considers a reasonable extension. We could always use a good quality starter.